tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post184777368086456550..comments2024-03-27T20:28:38.015-04:00Comments on Reasonable Christian: Gordon H. Clark: Saving Faith Results in Loving God and Obeying GodCharlie J. Rayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-76369948237980549492016-02-13T15:34:15.170-05:002016-02-13T15:34:15.170-05:00>>>>If Jesus and the Father is one, th...>>>>If Jesus and the Father is one, then Jesus IS the Father, but trinitarians call another one Father.<<< <br /><br />Non sequitur. This does not logically follow since there is another logical deduction that can be made from this verse because all Scripture is God's Word, not just Deuteronomy 6:4. Jesus and the Father are ONE God. They share the same divine nature.Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-29409022772477038332016-02-13T15:25:17.304-05:002016-02-13T15:25:17.304-05:00Matthew 28:19Matthew 28:19Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-85677367626354207322016-02-13T15:23:39.210-05:002016-02-13T15:23:39.210-05:00Jesus and the Father are two persons. They are ON...Jesus and the Father are two persons. They are ONE God:) What part of ONE God (Deuteronomy 6:4) and THREE persons do you not get? (Matthew 28:20; 2 Corinthians 13:14; John 1:18; John 1:1; 2 Peter 1:1.Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-16794546801080847152016-02-13T15:21:58.683-05:002016-02-13T15:21:58.683-05:00If Jesus is the Father, who was running the univer...If Jesus is the Father, who was running the universe while Jesus was on earth? Also, if Jesus is only God and not a man, then He was not really a human being after all. Which is it, Paul?Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-41986566793636729902016-02-13T15:20:25.463-05:002016-02-13T15:20:25.463-05:00If God the Father is in heaven, then the implicati...If God the Father is in heaven, then the implication is that Oneness Pentecostals believe Jesus was only a man. Jesus is God the Son manifest in the flesh. 1 Timothy 3:16.Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-69278872356238806632016-02-13T15:18:12.255-05:002016-02-13T15:18:12.255-05:00Paul G, if NO other writings are to be accepted, t...Paul G, if NO other writings are to be accepted, then you cannot tell me what you think the Bible says. Just quote the Scriptures and stop there. By logical implication none of your Oneness theology should be accepted by anyone. You are again sidestepping the real issue. The Bible teaches that God is one God and three Persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus is not just a man or just the Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-31815555440902258912016-02-09T00:53:25.589-05:002016-02-09T00:53:25.589-05:00Yes I agree, the Scripture alone is the Word of Go...Yes I agree, the Scripture alone is the Word of God, and NO OTHER writings.<br /><br />The Lord Jesus Christ said in John 10:30 "I and the Father are ONE"!<br />Every trinitarian without exception says contrary to the Lord Jesus Christ that Jesus and the Father are TWO. <br />The Spirit of the Lord and plain intelligence will tell you that, if Jesus is NOT the Father, then Jesus and thePaul Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227545422232659930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-21056100322226418482016-02-08T22:50:45.674-05:002016-02-08T22:50:45.674-05:00The Bible is plain and the reason creeds and confe...The Bible is plain and the reason creeds and confessions are true is because the Bible is perspicuous, plain, and sufficient. There is no need for modern revelations to add to Scripture because Scripture speaks for itself. It is self authenticating and it claims to be the very Word of God. There are many false prophets today and it would appear that you are one of them.Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-83490950999861470592016-02-08T22:48:34.760-05:002016-02-08T22:48:34.760-05:00And let's be clear. You are not a brother in ...And let's be clear. You are not a brother in Christ. Titus 3:9-11Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-5176203720604075612016-02-08T22:47:56.412-05:002016-02-08T22:47:56.412-05:00Anyone who denies the Trinity is not a Christian. ...Anyone who denies the Trinity is not a Christian. The word Trinity is not in the Bible. But the doctrine is logically deduced from the Bible. Just as we can deduce that the wine in the wine skins was fermenting because the wineskins expanded and burst during the fermentation process, we can also make other logical deductions from the text. And if you claim to speak under the same authority asCharlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-55755466859922970902016-02-08T06:05:54.655-05:002016-02-08T06:05:54.655-05:00Well brother, it is your duty before the Lord to j...Well brother, it is your duty before the Lord to judge whether I speak by the Spirit of the Lord and the oracles of God (1 Cor. 2:15).<br /> <br />Creeds and confessions are the words of mere men, mostly void of the Spirit of the living God Jesus Christ.<br />No man who is filled with the Spirit of God would ever preach and teach such a nonsensical doctrine as the trinity. That devilish doctrine Paul Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227545422232659930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-78062570736555874992016-02-06T22:17:22.232-05:002016-02-06T22:17:22.232-05:00You are equivocating, Paul. If the creeds and con...You are equivocating, Paul. If the creeds and confessions are not the inspired Word of God, neither is your opinion about what the Bible says. Therefore, you cannot speak the very oracles of God. <br /><br />The Bible is propositional truth. It is objective and there is only one interpretation of Scripture that is correct. Also, those propositions can be organized into a systematic Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-12768999229366437092016-02-06T07:09:01.593-05:002016-02-06T07:09:01.593-05:00Thanks brother for your comments.
I agree with you...Thanks brother for your comments.<br />I agree with you on many points, but the problem we have in Christianity is that Catechisms, Creeds and Confessions are treated as equal or even better than the Word of God itself. If there is a debate about certain meanings of the Scriptures, those secondary writings become the final authority. <br /> <br />I certainly agree that all Scriptures is Paul Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227545422232659930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-49424158094064961922016-02-05T00:30:26.252-05:002016-02-05T00:30:26.252-05:00Also, since no one today is an apostle or prophet,...Also, since no one today is an apostle or prophet, no one today can write or speak the inspired word of God. The Bible alone is the Word of God. But then, you just contradicted yourself by quoting 1 Peter 4:11 improperly. The only oracles of God we have today are the Scriptures. The Westminster Confession is not inspired and neither are you.Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-8793376698154707682016-02-05T00:26:44.682-05:002016-02-05T00:26:44.682-05:00As for Thomas Cranmer, you should read the 39 Arti...As for Thomas Cranmer, you should read the 39 Articles of Religion. Articles 9-18 deal with the doctrines of sovereign grace. Pay particular attention to Article 17.<br /><br />XVII. Of Predestination and Election.<br />PREDESTINATION to life is the everlasting purpose of God, whereby, before the foundations of the world were laid, He hath constantly decreed by His counsel secret to us, to Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-62488180318760826352016-02-05T00:24:26.987-05:002016-02-05T00:24:26.987-05:00God does not "offer" anyone salvation. ...God does not "offer" anyone salvation. He elects certain men or chooses them in eternity before creation. It's called unconditional election. God does the choosing, not man. Ephesians 1:4-5, 11. Free grace and free will are opposites. Salvation is all of God's choosing, not man's choosing. Ezekiel 36:26-27Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-82516054219331045282016-02-05T00:22:23.906-05:002016-02-05T00:22:23.906-05:00The first chapter in the Westminster Confession of...The first chapter in the Westminster Confession of Faith defines the doctrine of Scripture. Perhaps you missed that? Secondly, the Puritan divines nowhere said the Westminster Confession is equal to Scripture. It is subordinate to Scripture. And finally, who made you the only one who can properly interpret Scripture? <br /><br />Scripture is the God breathed Word of God. 2 Timothy 3:16; Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-71942058272049009792016-02-04T23:47:16.235-05:002016-02-04T23:47:16.235-05:00Hi Charlie, the Westminster Confession is not the ...Hi Charlie, the Westminster Confession is not the Word of God, it is just men's interpretation.<br />A man must be taught of God and not by man (John 6:45 and Isa. 54:13) and must speak the very Word of God (1 Pet. 4:11).<br /><br />Where in the Bible is everlasting life offered?<br />To me, everlasting life is a FREE gift of God lest any man may boast, a passage brother Thomas Cranmer must Paul Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227545422232659930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-12547152901588094022016-02-01T20:01:36.100-05:002016-02-01T20:01:36.100-05:00There are too many who are focusing on just one do...There are too many who are focusing on just one doctrine and ignoring the rest of the system. Thanks for your input, Miss Coleen.Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-63456308135502179612016-02-01T15:12:32.645-05:002016-02-01T15:12:32.645-05:00I've been running into that sort of thing also...I've been running into that sort of thing also, people claiming Gordon Clark,but denying sanctification. Even recently ran into someone who loves to quote Clark, but at the same time criticizes the Westminster Standards,especially on sanctification. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05382359562265299403noreply@blogger.com