tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post4372495617855929368..comments2024-03-27T20:28:38.015-04:00Comments on Reasonable Christian: Against Heresies: The tragic essence of Pharisaic pietyCharlie J. Rayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comBlogger69125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-15933536793289853122011-12-18T05:53:14.841-05:002011-12-18T05:53:14.841-05:00Your experience does not count. What does count i...Your experience does not count. What does count is what Scripture says. But I'm glad that you finally concede that the issue of the passage is self-righteousness:)<br /><br /> For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4 NKJ)<br /><br /> Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-74360723012602792682011-12-18T02:03:58.803-05:002011-12-18T02:03:58.803-05:00"The prayer of the Pharisee is the prayer of ...<i>"The prayer of the Pharisee is the prayer of the natural man. The prayer of the sinner and the ungodly is, 'Have mercy on me a sinner, Oh Lord!'"</i><br /><br />In my experience its exactly the opposite. The man unaided by the lies of systematic theology prays "have mercy on me a sinner" and the Calvinist prays "God I thank you that you didn't make me a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-72654995364753775072011-12-17T17:16:42.914-05:002011-12-17T17:16:42.914-05:00I can just as well presuppose that the Bible is Go...I can just as well presuppose that the Bible is God's inspired revelation and that it has no contradictions and no errors. And in fact, it does not. Scripture has been proved right on many occasions. The census of Tiberius Caesar, the existence of the Assyrians, Pontius Pilate, and a host of other details have been proven. But the Christian is under no obligation to prove any of that Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-37238621733279385502011-12-17T17:14:12.861-05:002011-12-17T17:14:12.861-05:00As for Scripture being errant and contradictory, I...As for Scripture being errant and contradictory, I've already refuted that. You're merely presupposing errors that are not there. You would need to be omniscient to assert that there are no answers to your "apparent" contradictions.Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-48965742508083691462011-12-17T17:12:57.308-05:002011-12-17T17:12:57.308-05:00The prayer of the Pharisee is the prayer of the na...The prayer of the Pharisee is the prayer of the natural man. The prayer of the sinner and the ungodly is, "Have mercy on me a sinner, Oh Lord!"Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-40770963715917815762011-12-17T17:11:37.075-05:002011-12-17T17:11:37.075-05:00Romans 1:18-32 demolishes any hope for natural rev...Romans 1:18-32 demolishes any hope for natural revelation sufficient to lead to salvation. Only special revelation can illuminate the minds of the elect to saving faith. (Romans 10:4-11; Acts 4:11-12; Hebrews 1:1-2; 2 Peter 1:19-21; 2 Timothy 3:15-17). The ignorant twist the Scriptures to their own destruction (2 Peter 3:16). And God insures the deception of the reprobate by hardening their Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-77983859926646208602011-12-17T17:07:37.966-05:002011-12-17T17:07:37.966-05:00The reality is that Scripture has only one meaning...The reality is that Scripture has only one meaning. Since Scripture is propositional truth that meaning is found with logic and reason. Man's mind has been darkened by sin such that he refuses to believe what he understands. It does not mean he cannot understand logic or the propositions in Scripture--only that he refuses to assent to it. Sorta like what you're doing here:) You Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-40086974197486981092011-12-10T18:03:45.504-05:002011-12-10T18:03:45.504-05:00"I didn't remove your comment from yester...<i>"I didn't remove your comment from yesterday. It's not my problem if you're too inept to know how to post a comment."</i><br /><br />Actually you did remove it--yet you have quoted parts of it in several of your responses which is interesting since you say you did not remove it and pretend I somehow forgot to hit post or something.<br /><br /><i>"You've professedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-35838595437186582102011-12-10T17:59:46.879-05:002011-12-10T17:59:46.879-05:00Job is the ultimate example of a righteous man who...<i>Job is the ultimate example of a righteous man who lived only by the light of nature, and was actually given a special revelation afterwards. </i><br /><br />Oh? And how do you know Job was a real person? :) I suppose you know that from nature?Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-25664934285053041822011-12-10T17:57:34.349-05:002011-12-10T17:57:34.349-05:00Salvation comes only through knowledge of Jesus Ch...Salvation comes only through knowledge of Jesus Christ. Paul states that clearly several times over, particularly in Romans 1:16-17, Romans 10:4-12. The other biblical writers state the same thing (Acts 4:11-12; John 14:6; John 5:23-25; John 3:16-21). Natural revelation cannot lead to true knowledge of God precisely because of original sin (Romans 5:12; Genesis 3:6-8; Genesis 6:5).<br /><br />Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-49752355157947306242011-12-10T17:52:05.999-05:002011-12-10T17:52:05.999-05:00I have not denied natural revelation. You have mi...I have not denied natural revelation. You have misunderstood me:) I deny that natural revelation can reveal true knowledge in any ultimate sense. Science can solve certain practical problems. But science cannot provide any true knowledge about reality. Science, like everything else, is subjectively conducted by fallible human beings. Science is wrong continually and is always correcting itsCharlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-50570391739662168312011-12-10T17:41:07.295-05:002011-12-10T17:41:07.295-05:00The fact that everyone can see heaven does not mak...The fact that everyone can see heaven does not make everyone who writes a psalm divinely inspired:) What the Psalmist wrote is divinely inspired. You only know the Psalmist saw heaven because it is recorded in Scripture. If nature is all that is necessary, why are you quoting some book that is not divinely inspired and is full of errors? :)Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-85703673580066661752011-12-10T17:37:13.801-05:002011-12-10T17:37:13.801-05:00I didn't remove your comment from yesterday. ...I didn't remove your comment from yesterday. It's not my problem if you're too inept to know how to post a comment.<br /><br />You have conceded that you have an opinion which you have presupposed, namely that the Bible errs. Since you would need to be omniscient to prove such a thing, I am under no obligation to believe your presupposition. My presupposition begins with one simpleCharlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-65192148577550709382011-12-10T16:52:52.485-05:002011-12-10T16:52:52.485-05:00"In the beginning God created gender roles, m...<i>"In the beginning God created gender roles, male and female. Nature = creation. We only know that God created from Scripture."</i><br /><br />Really? I suppose when the Psalmist says in Psalm 19 "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth his handiwork" that you think this was revealed to him by an Oral Revelation rather than his simply looking up at Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-72445044583897265842011-12-10T16:44:32.559-05:002011-12-10T16:44:32.559-05:00"So why did you appeal to Scripture to prove ...<i>"So why did you appeal to Scripture to prove that natural revelation exists?"</i><br /><br />To show that your position that knowledge can only come from scripture is not even scriptural.<br /><br /><i>"Again, you contradict yourself. You say that knowledge is possible apart from Scripture when Paul clearly says that knowledge of God in nature leads to idolatry and ignorance.&Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-33041408409548617362011-12-10T16:41:36.421-05:002011-12-10T16:41:36.421-05:00I'm only curious what happened to my first com...I'm only curious what happened to my first comment from yesterday. I suppose by removing it you concede that it defeated your position.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-21582487379347479122011-12-09T21:28:31.886-05:002011-12-09T21:28:31.886-05:00I don't care whether Napoleon existed or not. ...<i>I don't care whether Napoleon existed or not. </i><br /><br />Well that's the gist of your argument on just about everything, isn't it? You don't really know and you don't really care:) So what's your point? My point is you don't know anything. You have simply presupposed social and society's conventional thinking. Whether or not your views are true or false is Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-1895595051619473482011-12-09T21:19:14.799-05:002011-12-09T21:19:14.799-05:00Again, you contradict yourself. You say that know...Again, you contradict yourself. You say that knowledge is possible apart from Scripture when Paul clearly says that knowledge of God in nature leads to idolatry and ignorance. Scripture alone can tell us what we need to know about God, creation, and reality--which is why you quoted it:)<br /><br />As for Paul's argument about hair, his argument is not for natural law but creation. In the Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-25958532582802420062011-12-09T21:15:58.294-05:002011-12-09T21:15:58.294-05:00Paul says in Romans 1 that by nature we know the i...<i>Paul says in Romans 1 that by nature we know the invisible attributes of God. Again, in another place he says that nature teaches us that if a man has long hair it is a shame to him. In order to keep to your theory that "without the Bible knowledge is impossible" you will have to charge Paul with error. Not that I have a problem with charging Paul with error, when he is wrong, but inCharlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-60701899723638635442011-12-09T21:09:51.288-05:002011-12-09T21:09:51.288-05:00You do know what you ate for breakfast right? Wel...<i>You do know what you ate for breakfast right?</i> Well, no. I can't know that unless the Bible reveals God. It might be that what I experience and perceive is an illusion. It could be that it is merely a hologram in the mind and external objects are not real. Unless there is a God who reveals Himself in divine revelation, there is no way to know that time, history or perception is Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-2494289324048246842011-12-09T21:04:07.318-05:002011-12-09T21:04:07.318-05:00I'm a Pelagian. Whatever in scripture conduces...<i>I'm a Pelagian. Whatever in scripture conduces to a righteous living is right; whatever conduces to the opposite is false; whatever is indifferent is indifferent. </i><br /><br />But you're simply stating a tautology. A = A. Righteous living is righteous living. If Scripture errs, as you presuppose, then how would you decide what is true and what is false since you cannot define &Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-1593090731728094192011-12-09T21:00:01.617-05:002011-12-09T21:00:01.617-05:00I'm saying that the New Testament writer, Matt...<i>I'm saying that the New Testament writer, Matthew, misuses Old Testament passages. He invents one that doesn't exist "he shall be called a Nazarene." He makes Hosea 11:1 into prediction when it is historical allusion. He makes Jeremiah 31, which is about the Assyrian captivity of the Ephraimites, into a predictive prophecy about Herod killing babies at Jesus' birth. None Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-85785770029437340112011-12-09T20:51:32.705-05:002011-12-09T20:51:32.705-05:00"You cited examples of historical events from...<i>"You cited examples of historical events from the Bible. So tell me, how do you know George Washington crossed the Delaware?"</i><br /><br />I think if you look back over the example of Hosea 11:1, my argument was that this is a historical allusion to the Exodus, not a prophecy of Jesus' childhood. I wasn't questioning a historical event in the Bible. I was saying Matthew Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-38697715721117949292011-12-09T20:50:07.822-05:002011-12-09T20:50:07.822-05:00"Clark agrees with the secular philosophers t...<i>"Clark agrees with the secular philosophers that reason cannot lead to knowledge...There are two options. Either you choose skepticism in all branches of knowledge...or you can try revelation."</i><br /><br /><i>"I put way too much stock in the Bible, since the Bible alone provides any knowledge at all. Without the Bible knowledge is impossible."</i><br /><br />This Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-43848098011280097782011-12-09T12:57:18.354-05:002011-12-09T12:57:18.354-05:00I would have to be an idiot to say "Well, I&#...<i>I would have to be an idiot to say "Well, I'm not inerrant, so I can't be sure." </i><br /><br />The point is not that you cannot be sure. The point is that you cannot prove the Bible is not true.<br /><br />You cited examples of historical events from the Bible. So tell me, how do you know George Washington crossed the Delaware? Can you prove it? Maybe it is simply an Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.com