tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post2477372274977893591..comments2024-03-27T20:28:38.015-04:00Comments on Reasonable Christian: Francis Schaeffer: What does Roman Catholicism, humanism, and cultural relativism have in common?Charlie J. Rayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-3165060558327060092013-02-12T07:37:02.312-05:002013-02-12T07:37:02.312-05:00You're confused. Franky Schaeffer, the son of...You're confused. Franky Schaeffer, the son of Francis Schaeffer, became Eastern Orthodox, not Roman Catholic. The fact, however, is that the Eastern Orthodox Church is apostate because it is semi-pelagian and practices some of the same idolatries that Rome does, namely prayers to the saints and icons, veneration of the saints, "real presence" in the creatures of bread and wine, Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-84251702451936294722013-02-12T01:05:43.463-05:002013-02-12T01:05:43.463-05:00Was Schaeffer ready to pope near the end of his li...Was Schaeffer ready to pope near the end of his life? http://catholicbridge.com/downloads/frank_schaeffer_on_francis_catholic.mp3Hugh McCannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03267834741936303800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-15581982820732137532009-02-24T19:06:00.000-05:002009-02-24T19:06:00.000-05:00Regarding the term "tradition," I was referring to...Regarding the term "tradition," I was referring to tradition as in Reformed and Protestant traditions such as having a church with the authority to produce creeds, confessions of faith, and church discipline. I have in mind the 5 solas, the 39 Articles, the Westminster Standards, etc.<BR/><BR/>CharlieCharlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-70920489153128805902009-02-24T19:04:00.000-05:002009-02-24T19:04:00.000-05:00William,Thanks for sending that quote to me. Hone...William,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for sending that quote to me. Honestly, I'm shocked that the elder Knox held such a position. In fact, the first part of your post is essentially what the younger Knox said to me the other day and prompted me to post what I did from J. C. Ryle at the Church Society website. <BR/><BR/>I sincerely hope the Sydney Diocese doesn't buy into that view? It is essentially an Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-71114379498701863482009-02-24T09:09:00.000-05:002009-02-24T09:09:00.000-05:00Sorry I meant to break up that post into two parts...Sorry I meant to break up that post into two parts before sending.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03632454122621599528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-15387042151706027992009-02-24T09:06:00.000-05:002009-02-24T09:06:00.000-05:00Hello Charlie Ray--as for sola scriptura--I assume...Hello Charlie Ray--as for sola scriptura--I assume you are referring to my side note on Roman Catholic lectionary practice. I'm afraid you misunderstand me--I'm not at all saying that Roman Catholic's affirm "sola scriptura" --I'm simply noting that it's interesting that despite their general rejection of sola scriptura (which you have noted in this thread) they still end up with their divine Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03632454122621599528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-814097141214778062009-02-23T18:30:00.000-05:002009-02-23T18:30:00.000-05:00William, it seems obvious to me that you do not un...William, it seems obvious to me that you do not understand either the doctrine of sola scriptura or the doctrine of the Anglo-Catholic and Roman Catholic position. Sola Scriptura teaches that Scripture is sufficient in and of itself. Rome teaches that Scripture is insufficient and needs an infallible interpretation. Also, Rome makes Tradition a divine revelation on equal standing with Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-71358390669176497292009-02-23T18:28:00.000-05:002009-02-23T18:28:00.000-05:00William, you are misrepresenting DB Knox. I have ...William, you are misrepresenting DB Knox. I have a copy of his small commentary on the 39 Articles where he affirms that there are 2 sacraments. I think you are taking him out of context.<BR/><BR/>What he said was that baptism is not absolutely essential to salvation and there could be notable exceptions to the practice of baptism. However, I wouldn't go that far though I do agree with Knox Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-52306572441376144102009-02-23T08:56:00.000-05:002009-02-23T08:56:00.000-05:00Here is just a sample of D.Broughton Knox's unfort...Here is just a sample of D.Broughton Knox's unfortunate belief that baptism was an optional rite and not a true Sacrament instituted by Christ (New Testament Baptism, in D. Broughton Knox Selected Works, Volume II):<BR/>"If the significance of the rite is changed to a confession of Christ, confession of Christ is better made by the mouth (Rom 10:10) within the congregation, but better still in Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03632454122621599528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-72673284211101854082009-02-22T23:32:00.000-05:002009-02-22T23:32:00.000-05:00Hello Charlie Ray,I believe there is a great value...Hello Charlie Ray,<BR/><BR/>I believe there is a great value and truth in most if not all of the apologetic methods--and that the different approaches rightly applied actually supplement and strengthen each other (of course, any apologetic argument which is not under-girded with a firm belief in the absolute authority and infallibility of God's Word is ultimately bunk). <BR/><BR/>As for your Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03632454122621599528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-22528532799244882032009-02-22T13:35:00.000-05:002009-02-22T13:35:00.000-05:00Billy, I think what Schaeffer is arguing here is t...Billy, I think what Schaeffer is arguing here is that Aquinas and everyone before him did not elevate Tradition to the level of divine revelation on an equal par with Holy Scripture. This is in fact the error of the Roman Catholic Church after the time of Aquinas. Schaeffer argues that this elevation of reason by Aquinas is what begins the process of making Tradition equal to Scripture as two Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-744438563098429392009-02-22T08:13:00.000-05:002009-02-22T08:13:00.000-05:00Hello Charlie Ray,I agree that Aquinas often relie...Hello Charlie Ray,<BR/><BR/>I agree that Aquinas often relied far too heavily on philosophers in his writings. It's interesting to note, though, that in spite of such errors Aquinas appears to have essentially preceded the Reformational phrase "sola scriptura" in stating that "sola canonica scriptura" is a measure of faith.<BR/><BR/>Aquinas:<BR/>"It should be noted that though many might write Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03632454122621599528noreply@blogger.com