tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post5695577424122868547..comments2023-12-12T10:05:03.962-05:00Comments on Reasonable Christian: The Federal Vision Heresy: Analyzing the Federal VisionCharlie J. Rayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-11723480292182975632013-12-11T20:56:30.606-05:002013-12-11T20:56:30.606-05:00God does give us the details. The details are rev...God does give us the details. The details are revealed in Scripture in logical propositions. From the axiom of Scripture we can deduce the fact that there is both reprobation and election. God is not irrational, nor would God contradict Himself or reveal contradictory propositions in the Scriptures. Revelation is logical because God is Logic. John 1:1Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-86260752156756629412013-12-11T20:53:53.323-05:002013-12-11T20:53:53.323-05:00True Lutheranism is not liberal, nor does it teach...True Lutheranism is not liberal, nor does it teach "final justification" by works in the judgment. I have my disagreements with Lutherans. But you're not even a Lutheran. You don't rise to that level. Try reading John Montgomery Warwick.Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-80759778059407106742013-12-11T20:47:32.942-05:002013-12-11T20:47:32.942-05:00How could the Holy Spirit regenerate a reprobate p...How could the Holy Spirit regenerate a reprobate person in baptism? Esau was never elect or saved. Yet Esau was circumcised.<br /><br />Also, you still have another problem. You approved of the Federal Visionists just on the basis of their view of baptism. You completely ignored the fact that they teach justification by faith plus works....<br /><br />And lastly, there are no paradoxes in theCharlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-74959352206632604302013-12-11T20:40:24.416-05:002013-12-11T20:40:24.416-05:00I never said that the Elect can lose their salvati...I never said that the Elect can lose their salvation. Lutherans do not believe that it is possible for the Elect to go to hell.<br /><br />But we do believe that someone can believe by faith in Christ, be a true Christian, lose his faith by ongoing willful sin, and go to hell.<br /><br />Contradictory, you say? No, we say, it is a paradox. God didn't give us all the details, but still Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-60691369396125079512013-12-11T18:45:59.813-05:002013-12-11T18:45:59.813-05:00Secondly, if you want your comments posted, then y...Secondly, if you want your comments posted, then you'll have to respond to what I actually said instead of going off on rabbit trails and bait and switch tactics. <br /><br /> Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying,`My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,' (Isaiah 46:10 NKJ)<br /> All the inhabitants of the earth Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-83828976245096393072013-12-11T18:44:00.484-05:002013-12-11T18:44:00.484-05:00How about instead of using the bait and switch fal...How about instead of using the bait and switch fallacy that you tell me why you think justification is by faith PLUS works? That's what the Federal Vision teaches. I can only conclude that you are either ignorant of the issues involved with the FV OR you are deliberately misrepresenting the Lutheran view. No one here is doubting that Luther taught baptismal regeneration. What is at issue Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-72880016989621562682013-12-10T21:13:35.019-05:002013-12-10T21:13:35.019-05:00You make my case for me. Anyone stupid enough to ...You make my case for me. Anyone stupid enough to think that Rome has moved is just stupid. The Canons of the Council of Trent have not been changed and neither have the anathemas. The only ones who have changed are stupid Lutherans. Why don't you just go back to Rome and join up with the rest of the apostates???<br /><br />If Lutherans were more logical they wouldn't be going back Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-79985715305281805702013-12-10T21:10:42.424-05:002013-12-10T21:10:42.424-05:00Luther would have never sacrificed justification b...Luther would have never sacrificed justification by faith alone just to prove a point about baptism. This is how stupid Lutherans are. You think that you can work your way to heaven as long as you get baptismal regeneration? What and idiot:)Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-39333041796611981442013-12-10T20:38:37.937-05:002013-12-10T20:38:37.937-05:00On the issue of Justification by faith alone, ther...On the issue of Justification by faith alone, there is one passage in the Bible that settles the "Is Baptism a part of God's act of salvation" question: Acts 2:38.<br /><br />Try as they can, Baptists, Arminians and Calvinists just cannot escape the plain, simple interpretation of that passage:<br /><br />If you want the forgiveness of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit, repent Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-76970795540788209072013-12-10T20:33:40.419-05:002013-12-10T20:33:40.419-05:00It's interesting that you bring up Rome.
Orth...It's interesting that you bring up Rome.<br /><br />Orthodox Lutherans and Rome just initiated conversations. We are no where near a point of reunification, but we are talking. As you may know, Rome has conceded that Luther was correct on Justification by Faith, what remains to be resolved are convincing Rome to completely abandon the concept of Purgatory and to assure us that the Blessed Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-29973561954609770872013-12-10T19:44:41.103-05:002013-12-10T19:44:41.103-05:00Federal Vision, by David Engelsma.
Justificatio...<a href="http://reasonablechristian.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-federal-vision-heresy-analyzing.html" rel="nofollow">Federal Vision</a>, by David Engelsma. <br /><br />Justification by Works The movement that calls itself the “federal vision” teaches justification by the obedience of the sinner. “The presuppositions undergirding Paul’s statement [in Romans 2:13]include the facts that the Law is is Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-45879175418384359972013-12-10T19:34:17.084-05:002013-12-10T19:34:17.084-05:00You're delighted that the PCA is now teaching ...You're delighted that the PCA is now teaching justification by faith plus works? I knew you were semi-pelagian and a papist. Why not just join back with Rome?Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-69585096911314414292013-12-10T17:41:11.911-05:002013-12-10T17:41:11.911-05:00We orthodox Lutherans are THRILLED to see the rise...We orthodox Lutherans are THRILLED to see the rise of the "Federal Vision" in Reformed circles. However, we Lutherans have another term for it: Lutheranism!<br /><br />God be praised that the Reformed are coming back to accepting "Repent and be baptized...for the forgiveness of sins" as EXACTLY what God meant and not a mistranslation by Catholic/Anglican/Lutheran translatorsGaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.com