tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post6347014165258390606..comments2024-03-27T20:28:38.015-04:00Comments on Reasonable Christian: Sermon Excerpt: The Evangelical Ideal of the Visible Church, by Bishop Charles Cheney, Founding Minister of The Reformed Episcopal ChurchCharlie J. Rayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-12679608932251803282010-06-29T15:19:27.413-04:002010-06-29T15:19:27.413-04:00Philip, I get there from the fact that you think &...Philip, I get there from the fact that you think "conservative" and "orthodox" Anglo-Catholics and various other papists are "Christian." They are no more Christian than the homosexuals who have been ordained and consecrated as ministers.<br /><br />I already heard that from David Knox. He thinks John Howe is a "good Christian man." Howe is an Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-26558346949007437262010-06-29T14:16:59.263-04:002010-06-29T14:16:59.263-04:00'that is not the position of your "conser...'that is not the position of your "conservative" Anglo-Catholic friends'. No it's not, but they have to work out their own salvation, and fear and trembling is most appropriate for them. I just don't see how you get from there to the statement that 'there are no real “Evangelicals” left in The Episcopal Church'. The presence of false teaching in a church does notPhilip Wainwrightnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-28052284158034715442010-06-29T11:19:35.063-04:002010-06-29T11:19:35.063-04:00I fully agree with the three creeds mentioned in A...I fully agree with the three creeds mentioned in <a href="http://www.members.tripod.com/~gavvie/39articles/art1.html#8" rel="nofollow">Article 8</a> and with the Definition of Chalcedon 451, which is summarized in <a href="http://www.members.tripod.com/~gavvie/39articles/art1.html#2" rel="nofollow">Article 2</a>.<br /><br />Now, clearly no Anglo-Catholic can believe those articles as they are Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-73240392281856294722010-06-29T11:02:45.453-04:002010-06-29T11:02:45.453-04:00Philip, that's absolutely correct. Both the c...Philip, that's absolutely correct. Both the creeds and the formularies and confessions are all fallible and subject to correction by the principle of sola Scriptura. But that is not the position of your "conservative" Anglo-Catholic friends. Their view is essentially that of Rome and not Protestant at all.<br /><br />I fail to see how an Anglo-Catholic can be saved when their Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-25803496214340718222010-06-29T10:49:49.868-04:002010-06-29T10:49:49.868-04:00I would agree that 'looking to Confessions and...I would agree that 'looking to Confessions and formularies is no different than looking to Councils and Traditions.' The Reformed confessions and the Ecumenical creeds are both alike the attempts of human beings to explain the Scriptures and have no divine sanction whatever. But I believe I'm following Scripture (I Thess 5.11-13, for example) when I give serious and respectful Philip Wainwrighthttp://barnabasproject.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-73566209751705403392010-06-28T21:57:35.721-04:002010-06-28T21:57:35.721-04:00But there's your problem, Zoomdaddy. You have ...But there's your problem, Zoomdaddy. You have Anglo-Catholic friends who are lost and on the way to hell. When have you shared the Gospel with them? They think good works are the way to be saved. The believe that righteousness is infused in the heart at baptism and they worship the bread and wine as idols. So how can you be friends with those involved in a false religion and not warn them of Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-20884564997444162972010-06-28T17:24:28.570-04:002010-06-28T17:24:28.570-04:00Oh, but it is way different. The Reformed Confess...Oh, but it is way different. The Reformed Confessions and the Anglican Formularies claim the Scriptures as their authority. While the Confessions, Creeds, and Formularies are all fallible documents they have the infallible, inerrant and divinely inspired Holy Scriptures as their most certain warrant:<br /><br /><i><a href="http://www.members.tripod.com/~gavvie/39articles/art1.html#8" rel="Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-17005739473421208092010-06-28T17:12:06.221-04:002010-06-28T17:12:06.221-04:00My Anglo-Catholic friends argue that our looking t...My Anglo-Catholic friends argue that our looking to Confessions and formularies are no different than their looking to Councils and Traditions. Where is the line between accepting the testimony of any human witness and its overshadowing Scripture?Lenny Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08907566803627708028noreply@blogger.com