tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post6751837118734569839..comments2024-03-27T20:28:38.015-04:00Comments on Reasonable Christian: The 39 Articles teach double predestination: Article 17Charlie J. Rayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-44934142744801654102010-06-03T10:48:41.176-04:002010-06-03T10:48:41.176-04:00Philip,
If God only predestines the elect, let me...Philip,<br /><br />If God only predestines the elect, let me ask you, "Do the wicked have the power to make themselves elect?" If your answer is no, then logically you must say that they have no free will and they are "destined" to fail, particularly since God withholds election, regeneration, and effectual calling from them.<br /><br />So the Amyraldian position rejects two Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-35977883294723869922010-05-31T00:29:41.379-04:002010-05-31T00:29:41.379-04:00God's decrees are a fiat but not capricious or...God's decrees are a fiat but not capricious or arbitrary. God has reasons which we do not see for the choices He made in election and reprobation. (Deuteronomy 29:29).Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-83870855927504874062010-05-30T23:59:14.881-04:002010-05-30T23:59:14.881-04:00It is "what it is."
Romans 9 is fiat. ...It is "what it is." <br /><br />Romans 9 is fiat. <br /><br />The problem is "us," to Jesus or St. Paul. Let's leave it at that and bend the knee.Reformationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06818168068978748081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-87085880891574368832010-05-30T17:17:59.027-04:002010-05-30T17:17:59.027-04:00part 3
The 17th Article clearly says that those w...part 3<br /><br />The 17th Article clearly says that those who are given over to their own wickedness face the "<b>sentence</b>" of God's predestination. In other words, they were destined to stumble and yet are without excuse since they are acting freely. (1 Peter 2:8; Acts 1:16, 20)<br /><br />Null goes on to say that, "The loss of salvation was only a hypothetical threat toCharlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-24670222101536703642010-05-30T17:17:36.637-04:002010-05-30T17:17:36.637-04:00part 2
Quite frankly, anyone who rejects double p...part 2<br /><br />Quite frankly, anyone who rejects double predestination is not Reformed nor is he Protestant. Rather, he is some sort of heretic who has departed from the biblical doctrine.<br /><br />Ashley Null says that Cranmer's doctrine of predestination is meant to emphasize the doctrine of justification by faith alone. Since he also emphasizes repentance and since that might be Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-37791074636422714732010-05-30T17:16:16.048-04:002010-05-30T17:16:16.048-04:00Philip,
The idea that God predestines some men lo...Philip,<br /><br />The idea that God predestines some men logically means that God predestined the rest. It's so simple even a child can understand it. If God elects, then God also passes over the reprobate. To choose one is the reject the other. How you cannot see this is beyond me.<br /><br />Scripture teaches double predestination over and over again:<br /><br />Acts 1:16,20; Acts 2:23Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-78282219361307869922010-05-30T14:41:57.708-04:002010-05-30T14:41:57.708-04:00I don't see how your comments support the idea...I don't see how your comments support the idea that Article XVII teaches double predestination. It doesn't contradict it, but most commentators over the years have only found predestination to salvation in it, I think.Philip Wainwrighthttp://barnabasproject.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com