tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post8431187359171020558..comments2024-03-27T20:28:38.015-04:00Comments on Reasonable Christian: Tim Keller and TriperspectivalismCharlie J. Rayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-23555749432476744322009-10-25T15:50:08.265-04:002009-10-25T15:50:08.265-04:00localhist is Richard Lindsey, btw. He's posti...localhist is Richard Lindsey, btw. He's posting over at Heidelblog as well.<br /><br />CharlieCharlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-11543216090215505952009-10-25T15:49:31.324-04:002009-10-25T15:49:31.324-04:00Furthermore, triperspectivalism is not a "ped...Furthermore, triperspectivalism is not a "pedagogical tool." Rather it is inserting or eisogeting into th text what is not there. The doctrines of sola Scriptura, sufficiency of Scripture, perspecuity of Scripture, and the priesthood of believers overrules any such esoteric approach to propositional truth revealed in Holy Scripture.<br /><br />Frame is a product of Van Til's Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-35390746264163149732009-10-25T15:46:31.509-04:002009-10-25T15:46:31.509-04:00It is a well known fact that Frame sided with Norm...It is a well known fact that Frame sided with Norman Shepherd, who is overty a semi-pelagian. Also, in Frame's review of Mike Horton's book he exposed himself several times over as confusing justification by faith alone with semi-pelagianism, particularly when he endorses Joel Osteen, who is not even semi-pelagian but openly pelagian and even "gnostic."<br /><br />I don't Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-9991748601269915662009-10-25T15:17:05.660-04:002009-10-25T15:17:05.660-04:00I do not think that either John Frame or Tim Kelle...I do not think that either John Frame or Tim Keller believe that works contribute to justification. I have not read that anywhere in their works. As for tri-spectivalism, it has nothing to do with justification nor does it relativize the Reformed faith. It is, as Frame says, a pedagogical tool.localhisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05126641025915326346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-43816385083943535302009-10-25T14:20:36.689-04:002009-10-25T14:20:36.689-04:00Wayne, Billy Graham has done much good I cannot de...Wayne, Billy Graham has done much good I cannot deny. But when Graham appeared on the Robert Schuller Hour of Power program and said that people all over the world believe in Jesus in their hearts and do not even know it, I lost all respect for the man. If people already have an unconscious relationship with Christ, why send missionaries or evangelists around the world preaching the Gospel?<br Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-51015060664847630242009-10-25T10:13:56.476-04:002009-10-25T10:13:56.476-04:00As Rick says in his piece anytime Triperspectivali...As Rick says in his piece anytime Triperspectivalism is brought up Reformed distintives must be downplayed. I certainly believe that as a whole Reformed folks and Churches could express more charity toward other misguided followers of Jesus but not at the expense of sacrificing Truth. As Martin Luther stated "Peace if possible, Truth at all costs".Waynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115279411952417222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-22542020121825395202009-10-24T19:25:39.047-04:002009-10-24T19:25:39.047-04:00I'm weighing this recent attack-piece. Will p...I'm weighing this recent attack-piece. Will post when done.<br /><br />There's a whole lot more going on with this.<br /><br />For sure, when Rev. Frame deals with the Osteen issue, it is a "most low point." I'm confident of this point. <br /><br />More to follow, DV.Reformationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06818168068978748081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-67159025464969980082009-10-24T14:45:15.188-04:002009-10-24T14:45:15.188-04:00Well, anyone who thinks works contribute to justif...Well, anyone who thinks works contribute to justification here, now, or ever is simply a semi-pelagian. Tri-perspectivalism is an unbiblical philosophy which is read back into the text at best. Furthermore, it openly endorse "subjectivism" which can only lead to compromise and heresy. Frame's endorsement of a word of faith preacher like Joel Osteen is just proof that Frame Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15388492.post-10217475128044565572009-10-24T11:57:45.779-04:002009-10-24T11:57:45.779-04:00Well, I don't think so. There is no reason why...Well, I don't think so. There is no reason why Frame's tri-spectivalism should do so. Based on my reading of both Keller and Frame, I believe they preach the gospel as presented in Scripture and the Westminster Confession. Perhaps in the Willow Creek matter, Keller misused tri-spectivalism but the system itself is useful.localhisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05126641025915326346noreply@blogger.com