Why am I not surprised that Ray Boltz is a homosexual? Modern Evangelicalism is not preaching the law and the Gospel but rather a sentimentalized version of the Gospel which teaches God loves the sinner but hates the sin. This idea of God's love for all sinners leads eventually to this watered down gospel where God forgives everyone while they continue on in their sins. Repentance and conversion are really unnecessary since God could never send anyone to hell.
The Bible, however, says that all sinners are under God's wrath and that God in fact hates the wicked and the unrepentant sinner. The only way of salvation is through the satisfaction Christ Jesus paid on the cross for our sins. God's wrath against us can only be propitiated by a perfect sacrifice and the shedding of blood. Jesus paid it all and all to Him we owe. Sin was a crimson stain and He wased it white as snow.
May God have mercy on Ray Boltz and grant him the grace to repent and return to Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior.
Soli gloria Deo!
(Click on the title to read the details of the article on Boltz' coming out).
The Bible, however, says that all sinners are under God's wrath and that God in fact hates the wicked and the unrepentant sinner. The only way of salvation is through the satisfaction Christ Jesus paid on the cross for our sins. God's wrath against us can only be propitiated by a perfect sacrifice and the shedding of blood. Jesus paid it all and all to Him we owe. Sin was a crimson stain and He wased it white as snow.
May God have mercy on Ray Boltz and grant him the grace to repent and return to Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior.
Soli gloria Deo!
(Click on the title to read the details of the article on Boltz' coming out).
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It is Calvinism that teaches that God forgives the sin while it is continued in, because "once saved always saved." That doctrine comes from Calvinism. Yes, many ignorant non-Calvinists say "Hm..oh yes...I like that part of Calvinism" and bring it on over, but it is Calvinist. Non-Calvinists should teach the truth, as per Romans 11 that it is possible for a believers to cease to beleive and to, therefore, be cut off. And non-Calvinist should teach that, per Hebrews 10:26+, to continue in wilful sin is to lose your salvation, but that if you forsake and confess your sins you will regain it again as per 1st John 1:7-9. It is the non-Calvinist imitation of Calvinism that is the cause of what you lament!!!!
"Repentance and conversion are really unnecessary since God could never send anyone to hell."
Repentance and conversion are really unnecessary according to CALVINISM because in Calvinism first you are given faith and justified by faith alone and second you are once saved always saved. No room is left for the necessity of conversion, because God has already given you faith (so you say) and thus you are now once saved always saved. Conversion is lost and repentance is spit upon. It is the massive preaching of Calvinism that has CONFUSED non-Calvinists into living the same profligate lifestyles that Calvinists and Arminians have always lived.
We don't know for sure whether or not Augustine ever engaged in homosexual intercourse, but we do know that he prayed "Give me chastity--but not just yet." Such is the spirit of Calvinism, that unfortunately, has spread to non-Calvinists through the preaching of sickos like you.
God will reserve a special place in hell for those who teach the doctrines of disgrace, the putrid TULIP of Satan, who say that God has taken away free will and programmed us to sin just so he can have an excuse to punish us, and then he then rolled the dice and whoever won the dice roll gets to be given faith and be saved, while everyone else goes and burns for all eternity for sins they never even chose to do but that God programmed them as robots to do.
May all such as teach those doctrines of disgrace be eternally disgraced, and I know that they will! For these are they that will be raised from the dead only "to shame and everlasting contempt." (Daniel 12:2)
But those who "obey the truth" (Gal 3:1, 5:7), who know and teach that all men who reach the state of reason have chosen to sin and are condemned to hell by their free choice, and that God sent his only-begotten Son to die for all men, and now if any man "whosoever will" believes in Him, he can have rest for his soul! Believe the gospel (the true one, this one) and repent of your sins, confess your belief in Jesus as the Son of God, and be baptized into Jesus Christ (by immersion) for the forgiveness of your sins. Then live the Christian life. This is the gospel, by which and by which alone, any man can be saved. But none are saved by the doctrines of disgrace that the Calvinists teach.
Beowulf, your raving diatribe is so full of inaccuracies that I don't know where to begin to refute them. However, the fact of the matter is that the doctrines of grace do not teach that men have a license to sin.
The Reformed Confessions explicitly deny this over and over again:
Chapter XIII
Of Sanctification
I. They, who are once effectually called, and regenerated, having a new heart, and a new spirit created in them, are further sanctified, really and personally, through the virtue of Christ's death and resurrection,1 by His Word and Spirit dwelling in them:2 the dominion of the whole body of sin is destroyed,3 and the several lusts thereof are more and more weakened and mortified;4 and they more and more quickened and strengthened in all saving graces,5 to the practice of true holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.6
II. This sanctification is throughout, in the whole man;7 yet imperfect in this life, there abiding still some remnants of corruption in every part;8 whence arises a continual and irreconcilable war, the flesh lusting against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh.9
III. In which war, although the remaining corruption, for a time, may much prevail;10 yet, through the continual supply of strength from the sanctifying Spirit of Christ, the regenerate part does overcome;11 and so, the saints grow in grace,12 perfecting holiness in the fear of God.13
The Westminster Confession of Faith
http://www.puritanboard.com/confessions/wcf-american.htm#chap13
That was a nice cut and paste job you did there. Taking my accusation against Pelagianism and twisting it around to make it seem as if I were saying that is the Calvinist position.
If men have a clean soul, then they do not need conversion or Christ. They can merit salvation by doing good works. That is Pelagianism and it is a damnable heresy!
"If men have a clean soul, then they do not need conversion or Christ."
No men have a clean soul other than infants. But notice how Paul says in Romans 7:9 "I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died...For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me."
He was spiritually alive as an infant. But when the law began to apply to him, then be chose to break it, and died.
This is stretching it. The text nowhere says that Paul was an infant when he says, "I was alive once without the law..." That would an argument from silence and very unconvincing.
Also, to say that infants are not guilty of original sin would go against the federal headship view as well as any view of natural generation as the source of total depravity. Even Arminians accept the doctrine of original sin and depravity, including John Wesley.
And even if we did accept that view, it would not explain how a "clean" soul is predisposed to sin and break the law. Theoretically, we should see at least someone overcome "physical" temptations sin in your opinion there is no sinful soul prior to the first sin.
This is still pelagianism and heresy.
Beowulf said,
>>>Charlie<<<"beowulf, I'm done with you. Go right ahead and keep establishing your own righteousness. As for me, I'm saved by the righteousness and the merits of Christ:)"
beowulf>>>>I never said anything to hint that I am trying to establish my own righteousness. You are simply mad that Calvinism has been found out for what it is. Calm down and leave your false system.<<<
The logical implication of your position is that it is possible for men to live above sin since they are innocent at birth. Odd that they are suddenly overcome by the flesh when you say there is no original sin attributed to their soul.
"Simply because salvation is all of grace does not mean we have a license to sin."
And yet Calvinism teaches that it does.
>>>No. Read the Westminster Confession of Faith, Chapter 13 on Sanctification. Sorry, but you're misinformed again.
"If you don't come to God through Christ, there is no salvation. Jesus said, "I am the way..." You can't do it your way. Sorry."
I never said that men could come to God other than through Christ Jesus, nor did I say or imply or hint in any way that men could be saved apart from Christ. The fact is, Charlie Ray, your own system is the one that minimizes Christ, since salvation with you is all about deterministic decrees. In your system Christ is merely a second thought and is not at the center of your soteriology!!! If God controls all our actions micromanegerially, as you proclaim, then God could have gotten around sending his Son by decreeing men to live sinless lives.<<<
>>>> Well, God could have prevented the fall in the first place. So now you're thinking like a Calvinist. So if God is just in permitting the fall and it did not happen by accident, then God must have decreed or determined to allow it to happen. This does not make God the author of evil since God merely left Adam to make his own free choice. Adam chose rebellion. God did not make Adam sin. He just did not intervene. Surely you are not saying that God is responsible for what men do???
In the same way God decrees whatsoever comes to pass, yet He does not violate man's will but merely leaves men to act according to their own nature. God controls all circumstances and events in life but He does so through secondary causes. He does not force men to sin. He simply turns them over to their own reprobate minds to act in accordance with the sinful nature.<<<
"But as things are in reality, since men by their own free choice do sin, Christ is obviously necessary and is the center of non-Calvinist soteriology! Calvinism could do without Christ<<<<
>>>>This is blatantly false. Since GOD determined that Christ would be the ONLY way for men to be redeemed, then it must be as God said. Calvinism recognizes rightly that God's holiness and justice and goodness requires that sin and wickedness should have the penalty of eternal punishment. The only way out is to satisfy justice and to appease or propitiate the wrath of God against sinners. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins.<<<<
"and its god could save men by mere deterministic decrees, but in Arminianism and other non-Calvinist positions, Christ is an absolute necessity."
>>>Yes, in the "Arminian" view Christ is still essential to the redemption of lost souls. However, in Pelagianism no such redemption is necessary in theory. All you have to do is to never sin. Since you have an "innocent" and "pure" soul this should not be a problem, right?<<<
"Like I said, the Arminians here are basically Pelagians, otherwise someone would be challenging your heretic views."
"I'm not teaching Pelagianism. Neither did Pelagius, which is why I brought him up,"
>>> Funny that you're teaching exactly what Pelagius taught and exactly the same doctrines which were condemned as heresy by the church, particularly at the Council of Orange, 529 A.D.<<<<
"...namely to show that Calvinists lie on their opponents and always claim their opponents teach that men can be saved apart from Christ by their own works."
>>> Well, no. Consistent Arminians believe in justification by faith alone and they believe in the doctrine of depravity and original sin. My complaint against Arminians is that prevenient grace is essentially a failure and is very close to the semi-pelagian view of the Roman Catholic Church were good works merit salvation.<<<
"That is a big lie. Pelagius did not teach that, but taught justification by faith alone."
>>>Pelagius taught as you admit that the soul is a clean slate. Therefore, if you don't sin, you don't need a Savior. Also, Pelagius' views led to the idea that good works merit justification. This is precisely why the Romish doctrine teaches that penance can restore righteousness lost when someone sins after baptism.<<<
"Howbeit, he denied that the soul of man inherits Adam's sin because he taught that the soul is a new production of God and does not come from the parents like Augustine thought. Oh my! "How dare that heretic teach that God creates the soul directly!"
>>>God indeed sustains all the universe. And God does indeed supernaturally uphold even natural generation and the soul in conception and birth. However, since God removed the gifts allowing mankind to remain only good, and since God cursed mankind with the curse of Adam, i.e. original sin, then by natural generation the whole man is corrupted by Adam's corruption. One cannot neatly separate the human nature into parts. We are body, soul and spirit and all are perfectly united together. So if one part is corrupt, then the whole man is corrupt, body, soul, and spirit. Since God is just in condemning the whole human race because of Adam's sin, then it is a consequence of Adam's original sin. God is not the author of evil nor does He infuse evil into the soul. He merely withholds the spiritual gifts enabling us to withstand the corruption. Thus, we are corrupt through and through from birth. A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.<<<<
"So, Pelagius taught that the flesh being derived from Adam inherits Adam's guilt and is punished with death. The soul, however, being not derived from Adam but directly from God, can inherit nothing from Adam."
>>> This is not what Paul says in Romans 5:12ff. Paul says that we all sinned in Adam. Also, Adam is the federal representative of the human race and since he represented us when Adam was cursed the curse was applied directly to us all.
Romans 5:12c
so death spread to all men because wall sinned...<<<<
"This is in line with Scripture, for Ezekiel 18:20 shows that the soul of man does not inherit guilt when it says "the soul that sins will die: the son shall not bear the guilt of the father nor the father the guilt of the son." Indeed the flesh of the son will bear the guilt of the father, but not the soul."
This text is speaking about personal responsibility and accountability for our own sins. It does not refute what Paul says in Romans 5:12ff. Rather it confirms it. We are sinners because of Adam yet we remain fully responsible for our own personal sins as well:
Romans 5:14 (ESV)
14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.<<<
" And John shows in John 1:9 that Jesus is "the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world" meaning that the soul is not created depraved as the flesh,"
>>>That's very odd. Where does the text mention the soul??? I do not see it there.
John 1:8-10 (ESV)
8 He was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light. 9 The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him.
The text clearly says that there is darkness in the world and the world did not know Him. Jesus came to bring light to the world, meaning lost men. Verse 11: He came to His own, and His own ... did not receive Him....<<<
" which is how Paul says "I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive, and I died...for sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, deceived me, and through it killed me." (Rom 7:9-11)
>>>Again, the text nowhere tells us that Paul is an innocent child here. He is speaking about his adult experience and an argument from silence is very weak.<<<
"And it is also how Peter says "abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul" (1 Pet 2:11) for if both the soul and the flesh were depraved, there would be no war since they would be in agreement!"
>>>Sins in the body are still sourced from a sinful heart:
Jeremiah 17:9 (ESV)
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?
Matthew 15:18-20 (ESV)
18 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.”
If the soul is clean, then WHY does Jesus say that sin PROCEEDS FROM THE HEART AND NOT FROM THE BODY?<<<<
"But you have accepted the world's interpretation of Christianity, and have become the world, which is why you love that liar Augustine who prayed "give me chastity--but not just yet."
>>>If Augustine prayed that prayer it was before his conversion for afterwards he stopped practicing sexual sins. What ticked off Pelagius was that Augustine prayed, "Lord, grant me the grace to obey Your commands and command what you will." How could God command us to do what we are unable to do?<<<<
"For Jesus says in John 15:19 "If ye were of the world, the world would love his own:" as the world loves Augustine "but because ye are not of the world," as Pelagius was not of the world "but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you."
>>>haha. I don't follow Augustine unless Augustine follows the Bible. Scripture is the final authority, not Augustine. But since your interpretation of Scripture is so strained, it is obvious that you're following Pelagius, not Christ. I follow Christ and Christ alone: Solus Christus!!!<<<
"Soli gratia!"
"Indeed, to the true God be all the glory."
>>>That was a typo. It should have read, "Sola Gratia!" Sola gratia is a Latin phrase meaning, "Grace Alone!"<<<
"But to the god of Calvin, who is the god of robots, be all shame, disgrace, dishonor, all everlasting contempt."
>>>God is God over all men, including Calvin. I would be very careful about blaspheming God.
God does not create robots. The Heidelberg Catechism puts it plainly:
Question 6. Did God then create man so wicked and perverse?
Answer: By no means; but God created man good, (a) and after his own image, (b) in true righteousness and holiness, that he might rightly know God his Creator, heartily love him and live with him in eternal happiness to glorify and praise him. (c)
(a) Gen.1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. (b) Gen.1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. Gen.1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (c) Col.3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; Col.3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: Eph.4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; Eph.4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. 2 Cor.3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Question 7. Whence then proceeds this depravity of human nature?
Answer: From the fall and disobedience of our first parents, Adam and Eve, in Paradise; (a) hence our nature is become so corrupt, that we are all conceived and born in sin. (b)
(a) Genesis 3. Rom.5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Rom.5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. Rom.5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. (b) Ps.51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. Gen.5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
Question 8. Are we then so corrupt that we are wholly incapable of doing any good, and inclined to all wickedness?
Answer: Indeed we are; (a) except we are regenerated by the Spirit of God. (b)
(a) Gen.8:21 The imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Gen.6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Job 14:4 Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one. Job 15:14 What is man, that he should be clean? and he which is born of a woman, that he should be righteous? Job 15:16 How much more abominable and filthy is man, which drinketh iniquity like water? Job 15:35 They conceive mischief, and bring forth vanity, and their belly prepareth deceit. Isa.53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. (b) John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 1 Cor.12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 2 Cor.3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
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Question 9. Does not God then do injustice to man, by requiring from him in his law, that which he cannot perform?
Answer: Not at all; (a) for God made man capable of performing it; but man, by the instigation of the devil, (b) and his own wilful disobedience, (c) deprived himself and all his posterity of those divine gifts.
(a) Eph.4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Eccl.7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions. (b) John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 2 Cor.11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. Gen.3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: (c) Gen.3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. Rom.5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Gen.3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. 1 Tim.2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 1 Tim.2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
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Augustine didn't teach "federal headship" which is modern stupidity. He taught inheritance. But only the flesh can inherit from Adam because the soul does not come from Adam as Augustine thought.
"And even if we did accept that view, it would not explain how a "clean" soul is predisposed to sin and break the law."
Yes it does, because Peter says "abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul" (1 Pet 2:11) The flesh, inheriting sin from Adam, wars against the soul, and men choose to give in to the flesh.
"Theoretically, we should see at least someone overcome "physical" temptations sin in your opinion there is no sinful soul prior to the first sin."
Everyone does, in fact, overcome individual physical temptations to sin. Yet nobody overcomes them all consistently. This is why total depravity is such bunk, especially where the WCF says we have been "made opposite to all good." Even an atheist can overcomes physical temptation most of the time. But because we all fall here and there, some very often, some not so often, we are all guilty of sin and need Christ and God's grace, and indeed Christ is God's grace.
"This is still pelagianism and heresy."
Augustinianism is still Satan worship and blaming God for your sins.
Paul taught federal headship. Romans 5:12 and following verses.
If you're going to establish your own righteousness, then you must never sin at all. Not even once.
God requires perfect obedience for you to justify yourself.
Since no one can keep the law perfectly, there must be another way. Jesus died for your sins.
Your ignorance is appalling. If you are going to criticize Reformed theology at least get it right. haha
Every man is fully accountable for his own sins. Why do you think Paul said this:
Romans 3:3-7 (ESV)
3 What if some were unfaithful? Does their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God? 4 By no means! Let God be true though every one were a liar, as it is written, “That you may be justified in your words, and prevail when you are judged.” 5 But if our unrighteousness serves to show the righteousness of God, what shall we say? That God is unrighteous to inflict wrath on us? (I speak in a human way.) 6 By no means! For then how could God judge the world? 7 But if through my lie God’s truth abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner?
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[1] The Holy Bible : English standard version. 2001. Wheaton: Standard Bible Society.
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