Comment I made on CLASSICAL ANGLICANISM AND THE REAL PRESENCE OF CHRIST IN THE SACRAMENT OF HOLY COMMUNION
by Rev. Victor E. Novak
Special to Virtueonlinewww.virtueonline.org
September 15, 2009
I find it odd that Lutherans refused to sign the Consensus Tigurinus of 1549, which was a compromise between the Swiss Reformed at Zurich and Geneva.
Article 24. Transubstantiation and Other Follies.
In this way are refuted not only the fiction of the Papists concerning transubstantiation, but all the gross figments and futile quibbles which either derogate from his celestial glory or are in some degree repugnant to the reality of his human nature. For we deem it no less absurd to place Christ under the bread or couple him with the bread, than to transubstantiate the bread into his body.
Seems to me that Calvin sided with the Reformed folks in the end, not with Luther! I would love to see the proof for that!
Consensus Tigurinus
I'm relying on a secondary source here. However, I will research later to confirm it but note this comment on whether or not Calvin signed the Augsburg Confession:
Sunday, August 09, 2009
Did Calvin Sign the Augsburg Confession?
Calvin did sign the Augsburg Confession, but it was not the original version of this significant document, written in 1530, to which he affixed his name. Calvin approved a revision of the original Augsburg Confession, most especially with regard to the nature of Christ's presence in the Lord's Supper, a compromise position authored by Philip Melancthon, perhaps Luther's greatest aide and subsequent Lutheran theologian. Melancthon penned the revisions between 1540 and 1542. The original version had been acceptable to both those who remained faithful to the Papal party in the Church and those who held to Luther's views in the Church. The language is indeed quite remarkable, and it is no wonder that Calvin objected.
Here is the original version, written in 1530: "Concerning the Lord's Supper, they teach that the body and blood of Christ are truly present, and are distributed to those who eat in the Lord's Supper."
The revised version, written 1540-42 states, "Concerning the Lord's Supper, they teach that 'with' bread and wine are truly exhibited the body and blood of Christ to those who eat in the Lord's Supper."
From:
In Hoc Signo: Did Calvin Sign the Augsburg Confession?
I'm still awaiting a response from Mr. Novak to any of the points made thus far. It would appear that that this piece is based more on secondary sources meant to convince the reader of what cannot be proved from primary sources.
Sincerely in Christ,
Charlie
Article 24. Transubstantiation and Other Follies.
In this way are refuted not only the fiction of the Papists concerning transubstantiation, but all the gross figments and futile quibbles which either derogate from his celestial glory or are in some degree repugnant to the reality of his human nature. For we deem it no less absurd to place Christ under the bread or couple him with the bread, than to transubstantiate the bread into his body.
Seems to me that Calvin sided with the Reformed folks in the end, not with Luther! I would love to see the proof for that!
Consensus Tigurinus
I'm relying on a secondary source here. However, I will research later to confirm it but note this comment on whether or not Calvin signed the Augsburg Confession:
Sunday, August 09, 2009
Did Calvin Sign the Augsburg Confession?
Calvin did sign the Augsburg Confession, but it was not the original version of this significant document, written in 1530, to which he affixed his name. Calvin approved a revision of the original Augsburg Confession, most especially with regard to the nature of Christ's presence in the Lord's Supper, a compromise position authored by Philip Melancthon, perhaps Luther's greatest aide and subsequent Lutheran theologian. Melancthon penned the revisions between 1540 and 1542. The original version had been acceptable to both those who remained faithful to the Papal party in the Church and those who held to Luther's views in the Church. The language is indeed quite remarkable, and it is no wonder that Calvin objected.
Here is the original version, written in 1530: "Concerning the Lord's Supper, they teach that the body and blood of Christ are truly present, and are distributed to those who eat in the Lord's Supper."
The revised version, written 1540-42 states, "Concerning the Lord's Supper, they teach that 'with' bread and wine are truly exhibited the body and blood of Christ to those who eat in the Lord's Supper."
From:
In Hoc Signo: Did Calvin Sign the Augsburg Confession?
I'm still awaiting a response from Mr. Novak to any of the points made thus far. It would appear that that this piece is based more on secondary sources meant to convince the reader of what cannot be proved from primary sources.
Sincerely in Christ,
Charlie
The Sixteenth Sunday after Trinity.
The Collect.
O LORD, we beseech thee, let thy continual pity cleanse and defend thy Church; and, because it cannot continue in safety without thy succour, preserve it evermore by thy help and goodness; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
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I goofed on this since Luther died in 1546. But the point stands since Luther's followers did not support the Consensus either.
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