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Martyred for the Gospel

Martyred for the Gospel
The burning of Tharchbishop of Cant. D. Tho. Cranmer in the town dich at Oxford, with his hand first thrust into the fyre, wherwith he subscribed before. [Click on the picture to see Cranmer's last words.]

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Wednesday, May 06, 2020

Propositional Revelation Versus Experiential Hermeneutics in Pentecostal/Charismatic Theology



WCF 1.1  Although the light of nature, and the works of creation and providence do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of God, as to leave men unexcusable;1 yet are they not sufficient to give that knowledge of God, and of His will, which is necessary unto salvation:2 therefore it pleased the Lord, at sundry times, and in divers manners, to reveal Himself, and to declare that His will unto His Church;3 and afterwards, for the better preserving and propagating of the truth, and for the more sure establishment and comfort of the Church against the corruption of the flesh, and the malice of Satan and of the world, to commit the same wholly unto writing;4 which maketh the Holy Scripture to be most necessary;5 those former ways of God's revealing His will unto His people being now ceased.6 (WCF 1:1 WCS)

WCF 1.6  The whole counsel of God, concerning all things necessary for His own glory, man's salvation, faith and life, is either expressly set down in Scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from Scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelations of the Spirit, or traditions of men.1 Nevertheless, we acknowledge the inward illumination of the Spirit of God to be necessary for the saving understanding of such things as are revealed in the word;2 and that there are some circumstances concerning the worship of God, and government of the Church, common to human actions and societies, which are to be ordered by the light of nature, and Christian prudence, according to the general rules of the word, which are always to be observed.3 (WCF 1:6 WCS)

As articulated, however, Purdie's position made the mistake of confusing the revelation of Jesus Christ and the church's records of that revelation,  . . .  Peter Althouse



There are voluminous scholarly articles on the problems of the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement, and, as my time is limited, it will only be possible to address a few of them in this brief article.  I work a full time job and do my research and writing in my free time.  I spent a number of years in the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement and did my bachelor of arts degree in pre-seminary at an Assemblies of God college in Lakeland, Florida.  I spent a considerable amount of time  reading the academic and scholarly articles of the movement during that time period.  I wanted to be able to be an academic apologist for the movement because I was fully dedicated to the Pentecostal theology and experience.

Unfortunately, that very endeavor led me in another direction which I could not have anticipated at that time.  Most Pentecostal scholars want to defend the movement from an intellectual perspective because the movement from the beginning was denigrated as anti-intellectual and prone to psychological manipulation of the naive such that the leaders took financial advantage of poor adherents who desperately needed answered prayers and miracles to meet their impoverished conditions.   

Those humble and early beginning of Pentecostalism around the turn of the century soon morphed into megachurches, including Angelus Temple, built in 1923 by Amy Semple McPherson.  But her moral failure soon ended her career as a female evangelist and pastor.  

There are many scholarly works recounting the history of the Pentecostal revival at Azusa Street Mission in Los Angeles, California and how William J. Seymour, a black holiness preacher studied the theology of Charles Parham in  Houston, Texas and took the message back to his church on Azusa Street in 1906.  I will not go into all the details of that.  However, one of the ground breaking books that I highly recommend is The Theological Roots of Pentecostalism, by Donald W. Dayton.  Dayton shows clearly how the Pentecostal theology evolved from and out of the Wesleyan holiness movement, which itself was a spin off from John Wesley's original doctrine of entire sanctification.  Phoebe Palmer, a Free Methodist pastor's wife, helped the evolution of the holiness movement when she advocated the view that entire sanctification could be claimed by faith rather than by years of tarrying and struggling against known sins.  Of course there were other precursors to the movement earlier, including the Edward Irving movement away from orthodox Scottish Presbyterianism.

In short, the Pentecostal movement was not necessarily a new apostolic movement supernaturally enabled by the Holy Spirit, but was instead an evolution out of several different strands of Evangelical Christianity and the Second Great Awakening.  There are ties to the Keswick higher life movement, which is a more Calvinistic emphasis on victory over sin advocated by Asa Mahon and others.

Today there are at least three distinctive but subjective divisions of the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement, which some claim to number at least five hundred million worldwide.  The first of these is the original Pentecostal movement in 1906 at Azusa Street Mission in Los Angeles.  The second is associated with the Latter Rain movement in the post-WWII era of the 1940s.  The so-called third wave began with an Episcopalian minister named Dennis Bennett in Van Nuys, California in the 1960s.  From there the movement spread to both liberal mainline Protestant denominations and to certain conservative Evangelical denominations.  (See:  "The Three Waves of Spiritual Renewal of the Pentecostal-Charismatic Movement," by Emil Bartos.  Review of Ecumencial Studies Sibiu.  Volume 7, Issue 1.  25 June 2015.  Published online.)

Perhaps the most controversial issue with Pentecostalism and the Charismatic movement is the emphasis on an exegetical method that incorporates the experimental religion of Wesleyanism via John Wesley's expansion of the Anglican trilateral of Scripture, tradition, and reason, to include as a fourth element, the spiritual experiences of Christians.  The Wesleyan quadrilateral allowed for the Christian to experience not only salvation but the experience of being entirely sanctified.  The early Pentecostal roots of the holiness movement included the baptism of fire in which the dross of sinful habits were burned away by the flames of the Holy Spirit and making the way for the the third work of grace, which was an empowerment for supernatural service called the baptism with the Holy Spirit; subsequently, it was then accompanied by the initial physical evidence of speaking in tongues.  The Wesleyan churches like the Pentecostal Holiness Church and the Church of God, Cleveland, Tennessee held to three works of grace:  1.  Salvation.  2.  Entire Sanctification.  3.  Baptism with the Holy Spirit.  The more baptistic Pentecostals, the Assemblies of God and the Foursquare Pentecostal Church, held to two definite works of grace:  1.  Salvation.  2.  Baptism with the Holy Spirit.  This is not to say that the baptistic Pentecostals did not believe in entire sanctification or the higher life view of victory over sin.  Rather the latter group conflated steps 2 and 3 of the Wesleyan churches into one final work of grace.  In other words, entire sanctification and the supernatural empowerment for service were one work of grace called the baptism of the Holy Spirit.  All classical Pentecostals believe in the initial physical evidence of speaking in tongues as the outward sign of Spirit baptism.  For Pentecostals speaking in tongues functions much like the sacramental signs for more Protestant views of the sacrament of the Lord's supper or for water baptism in that the outward sign of Spirit baptism for Protestants is water baptism, and the outward sign for the sacrament of the Lord's supper is bread and wine.  For Pentecostals the outward sign of Spirit baptism is the initial physical evidence of speaking in other tongues.

What was most problematic for me as a younger Pentecostal was the discovery that the modern Charismatic movement was even more diverse and inconsistent than even classical Pentecostalism.  The original Pentecostals apparently adopted a no creed but the Bible attitude and refused to officially adopt any doctrinal statements.  It was not until the New Issue of the Oneness or Apostolic Pentecostal movement that the Assemblies of God and the Wesleyan trinitarian Pentecostals began to formulate doctrinal statements to oppose the modalist Pentecostals.  The other issue for me was when I discovered that not only did the modern Pentecostals accept fellowship with modalist Pentecostals but they were also permeated with the Word of Faith, health and wealth prosperity Gospel.

One of my professors at Southeastern College of the Assemblies of God in the late 1980s, Dr. Terris Neuman, introduced me to a book by Dr. D. R. McConnell called, A Different Gospel.  Reading this book opened my eyes to the fact that the Pentecostal movement was by and large infected with cultic theology tied to Christian Science and New Thought, both of which are not Christian at all.  My home church in Wauchula, Florida was filled with this doctrine because although the senior pastor was more of a classical Pentecostal and a graduate of Southeastern College, the associate pastor was not educated and was a full blown Word of Faith preacher.  I had noticed early on that there seemed to be similarities with Christian Science since I had read many articles about Christian Science in high school and in the years before going to college.  Needless to say this shook my Pentecostal beliefs to the core.

The other issue that breaks the camel's back is the issue of ecumenicalism.  But that would take too long to go into since I want to focus primarily on the experiential exegetical and hermeneutical methods of Pentecostals and Charismatics.  But suffice it to say that for the movement over all, despite their many theological differences, the main issue for Pentecostals and Charismatics in general is not biblical truth but the promotion of their signs and wonders movement.  For them the main cardinal doctrine is continuationism, not biblical truth as a whole.  For this reason they can legitimately reject orthodoxy in favor of their emphasis on charismata to the exclusion of all else.  As evidence of that I can quote from Ralph Del Colle's article in the Journal of Pentecostal Theology.  Del Colle was a Roman Catholic at the time he wrote the article but apparently prior to that he temporarily identified with a more "Anabaptist" and Oneness Pentecostal point of view:

I should like to be precise in my intentions for this paper.  I will not broach all the several issues which divide trinitarian Pentecostals from oneness Pentecostals, for example, the baptismal formula, definition of regeneration and its association with Spirit-baptism and water baptism, holiness standards, sectarianism etc.  I will deal only with their variant views on the nature of God; whether God is absolutely one or triune.  Although I am of one persuasion confessionally--I am a thoroughgoing trinitarian--I will not attempt to engage in what was once called controversial theology, that is, arguing on behalf of one position against the other.  The essay is doctrinally irenic and is intended to offer theological grounds for ecclesial unity between oneness and trinitarian Pentecostals as far as this issue is concerned.
One further preliminary is in order.  I reflect and write as an outsider.  I am not a Pentecostal but a Roman Catholic, an ecclesial communion in conversation with trinitarian Pentecostals but not with their oneness brethren.  But there is some personal history here as well as some significant theological interest.  I was once an independent charismatic quite involved in the enactment of an anabaptist ecclesiology and a restorationist sense of mission.  During that period I was (re)baptized by immersion with a trinitarian formula.  The pedigree of that act was not so much Oneness as it was Latter Rain which had adopted the formula but not always their corresponding doctrine of God.  For a short period of time I contemplated a oneness view of the Godhead and then a binitarian one.  For some years now I have owned my first baptism (trinitarian and infant-baptism at that!) in the Catholic Church.  But that is neither here nor there.  My present interest is more theological.  
. . . I have taken it as part and parcel of my own theological vocation to increase awareness . . . of the triune God . . .  Then what to do about oneness Pentecostals?
As might be surmised, one is left with something of a theological conundrum.  How is it that approximately 25 per cent of US Pentecostals whose heritage goes back to within a decade of Azusa Street are not trinitarian in doctrine?  While I am not one to assign the origin and development of doctrine solely to the explication of the religious affections (as in a simplistic version of Schleiermacher) I do consider the doxological expression of the people of God to be significant in the evaluation of doctrine; . . .Considering that Spirit-baptism in particular intensifies the believer's experience of the risen Christ and gives experimental knowledge of the Holy Spirit it would seem logical to presuppose that this common Pentecostal-charismatic witness would also unify the community in their doctrinal testimony to the truth of the gospel.  However, for the theologian no such naivete is allowed. 

Ralph Del Colle.  "Oneness and Trinity:  A Preliminary Proposal for Dialogue with Oneness Pentecostalism."  Journal of Pentecostal Theology.  Issue 10, 1997.  Pp. 85-86.

It is ironic that in the late 1980s the Assemblies of God was hit with a theological controversy between the more classical Pentecostal views of Reverend Jimmy Swaggart and the more charismatic views of the Reverend Karl Strader of Lakeland, Florida.  The controversy centered on the controversial signs and wonders movement that produced not only the Toronto Revival and the Vineyard movement, but also the Brownsville Assembly of God revival in the Florida panhandle.  Swaggart not only opposed the so-called third wave of the charismatic movement, but was also an outspoken critic of Roman Catholicism as a false church.

It would seem that these upper level compromises of Pentecostal scholarship with liberal theology and the larger ecumenical movement of liberal Protestants and liberal Roman Catholics are mostly unknown to the lay members of the classical Pentecostal denominations.  This is troubling on several levels; the Protestant Reformation has never been resolved for Pentecostals because they agree with the papists that there must be a continual reaffirmation of the doctrines of the Bible by means of ongoing charismatic gifts.  Like the papists, the Pentecostals insist that the Scriptures are insufficient for salvation and for the Christian life.  Something more is needed, namely prophetic utterances, words of knowledge, miracles, signs, wonders, and supernatural healings.  Furthermore, it seems to me that the emphasis on ecstatic religious experiences has caused Pentecostalism to move in more heretical directions on at least three points:  1.  Oneness Pentecostalism.  2. Liberal mainline Protestantism.  3.  Ecumenical relationships with charismatic Roman Catholicism.  A further problem is the classical Pentecostal compromise with the prosperity gospel message.

The main point of this blog post, however, is that the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement is more concerned about an ecumenical cooperation between proponents of an experiential theology of charismata than about doctrinal purity.  Of course, there are some notable exceptions to this thesis including the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada, which were influenced by the Protestant and Evangelical Anglicans of Wycliffe College in Toronto.  Wycliffe was low church and opposed not only the high church Anglo-Catholic movement but also the higher critical views of theological liberalism and neo-orthodoxy.  Even the Canadian Pentecostals recognized that undermining the objective nature of Scripture and the plenary verbal inspiration of Scripture held dangers for their Pentecostal theology.  However, Peter Althouse sides with the compromises of neo-orthodoxy and higher criticism and criticizes the conservatives as idolaters:

While the attempt to protect the doctrine of the authority and supremacy of Scripture was laudable, Hague and Purdie adopted an extreme biblicism which verged on an idolization of Scripture.  They seemed to miss the point that the Word of God was the revelation of Jesus Christ and that Scripture was the apostolic record of that revelation.  Though following Hague in doctrine, Purdie's statement that Scripture did not contain the Word of God but was the very Word of God was a sentiment possibly intended to safeguard Pentecostals from the subjectivistic assumptions in higher criticism.  Higher critics assumed that biblical authorship was rooted in the subjective religious experiences of the writers and excluded divine inspiration.  Possibly, Purdie wanted to highlight the objective nature of Pentecostal experience.  The danger was, presumably, that the subjective experiences of Pentecostals combined with the subjective assumptions in higher criticism could have led to an overemphasis on experience in Pentecostalism.  As articulated, however, Purdie's position made the mistake of confusing the revelation of Jesus Christ and the church's records of that revelation, but it was a position which followed in the footsteps of his theological mentor, Dyson Hague.

Peter Althouse.   "The Influence of Dr. J. E. Purdie's Reformed Anglican Theology on the Formation and Development of the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada."  Pneuma:  The Journal for Pentecostal Studies.  Volume 19, No. 1, Spring 1996.

Althouse is obviously opposed to the doctrine of plenary verbal inspiration, which the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada upheld due to their being influenced by the low church Reformed Anglican theology of Wycliffe College.  Althouse sees no problem with reading the Old Testament as inspired myth as the neo-orthodox theologians do.  This makes my point that the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement leads to theological liberalism and ecumenical relationships with outright heretics like the Oneness Pentecostals and liberal Roman Catholics. 

Moving on to my critique of Pentecostal hermeneutics, the problem here is that from the onset of the Pentecostal movement Wesley's emphasis on Christian experience or experimental religion led to compromising the doctrine of plenary verbal inspiration and propositional revelation.  For Calvinists the emphasis on sound and logical exegesis of Scripture meant preserving the church from being led astray by false signs and miracles such as those that the papists produced in the intervening 1900 years of church history.

The problem of religious experience is that everyone's experience is different.  The Pentecostal movement began when Charles F. Parham started a Bible study and asked for laypersons in his Bible institute to study the Scriptures from an experiential point of view and to tell him what the baptism with the Holy Spirit was.  The following is a good summary of the Pentecostal approach to biblical hermeneutics:

The reading of the Scripture is highly esteemed in Pentecostal tradition. Bible reading is interwoven with prayer. The Bible is read until it becomes part and parcel of the individuals thought system and daily expressions. It should however, be observed that the Bible is not studied as an academic work but as a devotional material. As Davies argues, Pentecostals utilize the Bible as a resource for divine encounter. They “read the Bible not to grasp it; but so that God can grasp them through it.”[12] The Bible is seen not only as the word of God but also as the full representation of the mind and plan of God. God is seen to be alive in the scriptures and thus an encounter with the scripture is regarded as an encounter with the living God himself.
The earliest form of Pentecostalism held this divine essence of the scripture to the point that they regarded the human authors of the Bible as passive instruments in the process of writing the scripture. They saw them only as instruments that recorded what God dictated. Such a view led to neglecting the context of the human authors when interpreting the Bible. However, the latter development of Pentecostal interpretation recognized human authorship as part of the process that God used to communicate his will to the people. This later development introduced an “incarnational” understanding of the Bible. The scriptures, like Christ Jesus, were seen to be fully divine and fully human and the two natures as inseparable.[13]
Michael Muoki Wambua.  "Pentecostal Hermeneutics:  Approach and Methodology."  The Pneuma Review:  Journal of Ministry Resources and Theology for Pentecostal and Charismatic Ministries & Leaders.  April 14, 2014.



Like the liberals and the neo-orthodox, the Pentecostals put more emphasis on their ecstatic experiences than the Scriptures.  While there are exceptions to this like the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada and some of the more conservative classical Pentecostals in the Assemblies of God and the Church of God in the United States, the clear trend overall is toward a more and more liberal point of view in regards to the inspiration and inerrancy of Scripture.  The earliest Pentecostals were of a more fundamentalist bent, but the obvious biases of the current leadership in Pentecostal scholarship is toward curbing logic and denouncing any commitment to Scripture as the final authority in all matters of faith and practice as bibliolatry.  


Dyson Hague, best known for his contributions to The Fundamentals, held views similar to Sheraton's, though he may have been more fundamentalist in orientation.  Hague stated that the study of the literary structure of the books of the Bible was laudable, "But the work of the Higher Critic has not always been pursued in a reverent spirit nor in the spirit of scientific and Christian scholarship."  (18)  The conclusions of the higher critics were based largely upon their own "subjective conclusions," their reliance on fanciful German theories, and their "bias against the supernatural." (19)  Hague criticized the higher critics for their denial of the validity of miracles, the reality of prophecy, and the validity of revelation. (20)  He also opposed the higher critics' critique of Genesis as myth, for if Genesis were myth, it had no doctrinal value; it would not be authoritative, true, or reliable; and therefore it would not be inspired by God.  Hague refused to accept this position.  (21)  Generally, Hague held a more conservative position than Sheraton and seemed unwilling to accept any of the conclusions of higher criticism.  (Ibid.,  Althouse.  P. 7).
Of course, the more enlightened Pentecostals and Charismatics do not reject the conclusions of higher criticism because, after all, miracles are just human experiences, not necessarily literally supernatural events, right?  Quite frankly, I would much rather be called a fundamentalist than to join the broad way to ecumenical heresy. 

Now I would like to turn to a more Reformed methodology in regards to doing biblical exegesis and interpreting the Scriptures.  The most basic way of interpreting the Scriptures is to first of all recognize that the Bible is fully inspired by God in every single word.  While it is true that human writers wrote what God moved them to write, the words were not divinely dictated directly by God but each writer wrote in his own style.  Yet what they wrote could legitimately be said to be the very words of God, since God so controlled their psychological thinking and thought processes that what they wrote was exactly what God intended in every single word.  Since God is not irrational but logical, it follows that there are no contradictions in the Bible; all of the propositions in the Bible are logically consistent and in harmony with the whole scope of Scripture.

If everyone's experience is different, it follows that interpreting the Bible cannot be and must not be based on reader response or experiential theology.  There must be an objective way to read, understand and interpret the Bible.  That method of reading and understanding the Bible begins with propositional revelation.  The Scriptures are a logical and propositional revelation from God so that anyone who reads the Bible can rationally understand what it says in the plain passages.  Where there are difficult passages the reader can go to more plain passages of Scripture to interpret the more difficult passages.

The most obvious problem with experiential exegesis is precisely the problem that rejecting propositional revelation and orthodox doctrine in favor of a psychologized reading of Scripture leads to rejecting the Virgin Birth, the resurrection of Christ and a whole host of the fundamentals of the Christian faith. 

The influence of Immanuel Kant is also seen here. He had sought the contents of science in experience, in strictly sensory experience. But outside the sphere of knowledge, he also made a place for morality and a religion based on morality. Here Schleiermacher saw an opening for faith and a religion of non­sensory experience. With this he sought to do battle with the irreligion of the enlightenment.
Let us rephrase this a little bit. Previous Christianity had been too intellectual. Religion, Schleiermacher held, is essentially emotional. For Schleiermacher, religion originates in a feeling of absolute dependence. This feeling guarantees the value of religion. By analyzing this feeling of absolute dependence, one arrives at the doctrines of theology. For example, since the dependence is absolute, we may infer the existence of God. In general, Schleiermacher thought he was able to derive a great many Christian doctrines by psychological analysis. The doctrine of the Trinity, the miracle of the virgin birth, and the sacrament of the Lord’s Supper were all, more or less, obtainable in this way. But only more or less.
A superficial view may find a great number of Christian doctrines in Schleiermacher, but a more penetrating view will find each one altered. The basic reason all these doctrines are altered is that Schleiermacher has substituted religious experience for supernatural revelation. This is his decisive break with all previous Christian history. How this affects the several doctrines is easy to understand. For one thing, every doctrine become tentative. We cannot have confidence in the truth of a doctrine because either or both of two difficulties may intervene. First, we may not have been accurate in our analysis of experience. And second, religious experience itself may change. These two difficulties do not attach to supernatural revelation. But for Schleiermacher every doctrine must be tailored to fit human experience.
To show concretely how this deviates from previous Christianity, two or three doctrines may be used as examples. The Lord’s Supper perhaps can be defended as a particularly appropriate expression of our religious experience. No one could quarrel with the idea of having some sort of fraternal meal. [sic].  If, of course, the idea of a fraternal meal is a satisfactory definition of the Lord’s Supper. But whatever the case may be with the Lord’s Supper, it is obviously difficult to derive the doctrine of the Trinity by an analysis of one’s feelings. And it may be said, the virgin birth is surely impossible so to obtain. Indeed, even knowledge of God becomes impossible.


Dr. Gordon H. Clark.  The Decline of Theology in America.  Audio Transcript.  

Dr. Clark is perhaps one of the only consistent Calvinists and presuppositionalist apologists of the 20th century.  The problem as I see it is that the charismatic movement is simply an adaptation of liberal theology applied to Pentecostal experience; even when the classical Pentecostals tried to retain their commitments to Evangelical orthodoxy, they were attacked by the more progressive neo-orthodox and papist Charismatics as "fundamentalists."  The fact of the matter is that consistent cessationist Protestant Evangelicals do not reject the miracles of the Bible; instead, they are the only Evangelicals left today who believe that the miracles of the Bible are literally supernatural, not just a psychological experience in the line of Schleiermacher and other liberal theologians who kicked off the neo-orthodox movement.  

If we must suspend disbelief in third world miracle claims, then I suppose every superstitious miracle story is credible.  This is true from an orthodox and Protestant point of view that the miracles recorded in the Bible are literally true and literally supernatural, not just inspired myths.  For Pentecostals and Charismatics the Bible is only literally true from the point of view of their own personal experiences, not as an objective reality recorded in the Bible.  Furthermore, the Bible does not just contain the Word of God.  The Bible is literally the Holy Spirit inspired words of God, not just a record of revelation as Althouse contends above.  If the Bible is not the final authority, then the door is opened to all kinds of heretical movements within the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement, including the denial of the trinity by Oneness Pentecostals, and the Word of Faith movement, which has more in common with Christian Science than with biblical Christianity.  Without the Bible there is no knowledge of God possible.  None at all.


2 Timothy 3:16 (NKJV)
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,




Wednesday, February 15, 2012

A Sad Day for the Assemblies of God Denomination | Around the World with Ken Ham

The pentecostal denomination, The Assemblies of God, has reversed its earlier position paper on creation and now endorses an open view on creation, including theistic evolution. Why can't we all just get along? I guess unity is more important than truth? Click here to read the article: A Sad Day for the Assemblies of God Denomination | Around the World with Ken Ham


Ecstatic Religion or Propositional Truth? Dr. Michael Horton - Faith & Experience - Listen to Free Online White Horse Inn Christian Radio Broadcasts




This broadcast of The White Horse Inn is just as pertinent today as ever. Too many Christians look to a mystical, ecstatic religious experience instead of looking to the objective work of Christ on the cross 2,000 years ago. Many Evangelicals and Pentecostal/Charismatics today derogatorily call this "head knowledge" or "dead orthodoxy". They emphasize the emotional side of the human being or human nature above all else. Indirectly what they are saying is that knowledge and understanding of Holy Scripture is irrelevant and only a direct encounter or intuition of the divine is all that matters. John Wesley felt his heart strangely warmed when he heard Luther's introduction to the Epistle to the Romans read at Aldersgate Chapel in 1738. (See Wesley's Aldersgate Experience). What folks miss is that Wesley was "thinking" about what he had heard read. In short, it was both an intellectual event and an emotional event. The propositional truth claims made by Luther in his introduction to Romans so captured Wesley's mind that he was moved both cognitively and emotionally to understand that he could never perfectly keep the moral law of God. Unfortunately, Wesley was inconsistent logically. As the late Gordon H. Clark once said, "If Arminians were more logical they wouldn't be Arminians!"

To place all the emphasis on the emotions or ecstatic religion is to be led astray. The Mormons, who teach doctrines diametrically opposed to orthodox Christianity, emphasize the emotions and having the heart warmed. I suspect they got that from Wesley. The New Age movement, Wicca, paganism, and Sufi Islam all emphasize mystical experiences with the divine. But are they true religions? No. Only a religion that draws its doctrines straight from God's Word written in the Holy Scriptures can claim to be theologically true and logically consistent.  (2 Timothy 3:15, 16, 17; 2 Peter 1:19, 20, 21).

May God's peace be yours today! (Romans 5:1-2)

Charlie


Faith and Experience
Sunday, January 29, 2012

Which is more important, Christ's objective work on the cross 2,000 years ago, or my subjective experience of God today? The good news that the Apostles announced concerned Christ's death, burial and resurrection, and the announcement of that objective fact creates faith and a rich experience of thankfulness and gratitude. But what happens if we preach experience itself, rather than the objective work of Christ? On this special edition of the program recorded live at Grace Lutheran Church in San Diego, Michael Horton and Rod Rosenbladt unpack the relationship between faith and experience.


To hear this edition of The White Horse Inn, click here: Dr. Michael Horton - Faith & Experience - Listen to Free Online White Horse Inn Christian Radio Broadcasts

Addendum:  Rod Rosenbladt's definition of saving faith as knowledge, assent, and trust has been refuted by Gordon H. Clark in his doctrine of saving faith as belief.  Clark said that the word for faith in the Greek New Testament is one word.  (See Strongs Concordance:  Faith).  The idea that Scripture teaches three aspects of faith is wrong since believing is synonymous with knowledge, assent, and trust.  Faith is all three in one and that one word means "believe".  See Clark:  What is Saving Faith?  The short of it is that these psychological categories or faculty psychology are not in the New Testament text.

Thursday, February 09, 2012

George Conger Raises David Virtue's Dander

I do not generally read VirtueOnline because of its blatantly Anglo-Catholic bias.  However, I was amused by this piece that David Virtue posted attacking George Conger's articles on the current situation with the Anglican Mission in America and the Rwandan house of bishops.  Ironically, George Conger is an "orthodox" and "conservative" Anglo-Catholic who chose to remain within The Episcopal Church and work for reform.  As most readers of my blog know, I do not consider Anglo-Catholics to be truly converted to the Christian faith.  That would include "orthodox" Anglo-Catholics.  I was banned from posting comments at VirtueOnline for stating my position in a polemical manner.  Polemics seems to be the only way that these papist ecumenicalists get the message.  (Jude 1:3-4)

Robin Jordan of the Anglicans Ablaze blog attended, Moving Forward Together, the recent meeting between the Rwanda bishops, conservative AMiA congregational leaders, and the archbishop of the Anglican Church in North America, Robert Duncan, who is also an avowed Anglo-Catholic.  Robin hoped to persuade the more Evangelical and Reformed members of the AMiA to consider joining together in a new Reformed and Evangelical association of Anglicans.  Whether or not that happens is unclear, although Robin said that the Reformed leaning Anglicans he spoke with at the conference were not convinced that there is no place for them in the Anglican Church in North America.  The naivete of Evangelicals is truly astounding.  They do not seem to realize that the borg mentality of Anglo-Papists is that they are welcome so long as they keep the Gospel under wraps and go along with the false gospel of the Anglo-Papists.  That is assuming, of course, that these Evangelical Anglicans actually do understand the Gospel.  The irony here is that Duncan was there to persuade the AMiA to go with the ACNA, while Archbishop Rwaje of the Anglican Church in Rwanda was there to try to bring about reconciliation between the AMiA and the Rwandan house of bishops.

I am unsure of exactly how Reformed and Evangelical the Rwanda Anglicans are.  However, it would appear that they are not nearly as high church as the ACNA.  Robin Jordan has been blogging for some time now about how Anglo-Catholic the doctrine and canons of the ACNA are.  Most recently his critique of the new prayer book to be produced by the ACNA has been most insightful:  ACNA:  Theological Guiding Lens

David Virtue seems to think that Chuck Murphy and John Rodgers of the AMiA will be able work out a deal where the AMiA can join with the ACNA by this June.  The more the merrier I suppose.

Click here to see the original article at VirtueOnline:  George Conger Raises David Virtue's Dander

Addendum:  Robin Jordan corrected my comment above.  He said that it was never his intention to proselytize anyone but rather was there to report on the situation and see what kinds of responses he would get from the more Evangelical side of the aisle.
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Tuesday, February 07, 2012

Eric Holmberg: I Will Never Vote for a Mormon for President


Although I do not endorse the apologetics ministry that sponsored this video statement, I fully agree with what Eric Holmberg has to say. The Apologeticsgroup.com is a continuationist or charismatic ministry, although they are Reformed in their confession of faith. See: About.




Saturday, January 28, 2012

Carl Trueman on the Elephants in the Room: Do You Beat Your Wife? - Reformation21 Blog




Carl Trueman is a professor of church history at Westminster Theological Seminary, Philadelphia. His remarks below are a telling indictment of Mark Driscoll and the Elephants in the Room:

This request that we ask hard questions in the right venue, and consider the ER to have signally failed in this regard, will no doubt evince cries of `Hey, hater!' from some quarters. That is apparently the standard reaction now when anyone questions the actions of a successful pastor of a large church. If, however, we take true doctrine seriously, then surely we will see false teaching for what it is: soul destroying. Reflect on a parallel situation for a moment: let us say that, week after week, I see a congregant's wife with a black eye and an arm covered in cuts and bruises; eventually I ask her husband, `Did you do that?' to which he says `No, I abhor violence and despise the sort of people who beat their wives'; in such circumstances, is it unloving, Pharisaical or hateful of me to press the question a little further? I think not. Indeed, failure so to do would be moral delinquency of the highest order. To press the matter is actually responsible pastoring. The same thing applies with those whose public teaching seems to be deviant. It is not hateful to press the hard questions, and to do so with appropriate competence and in a suitable context; rather, it is right and necessary.

Click here to read the full article: Do You Beat Your Wife? - Reformation21 Blog


A Mega-Friday DL on TD Jakes and Elephants in the Room

Dr. James R. White of Alpha and Omega Ministries did an entire show on The Dividing Line concerning the heresy of T. D. Jakes and Oneness Pentecostalism:

A Mega-Friday DL on TD Jakes and Elephants in the Room

01/27/2012 - James White
OK, we've never crashed our servers before by going past the maximum number of connections, but, we did today. I guess there is really a great deal of interest, which, on one level, is very encouraging. In any case, I addressed the TD Jakes: is he a Trinitarian? issue head on during the first hour, and then took calls on the topic for a full hour after that. The callers were wide ranging, and while none defended the ER or Jakes, they did provide some good insights. Lots of positive feedback on Twitter and FaceBook. Hope it will be helpful! Here's the program.

Click here to see Dr. White's blog page: A Mega-Friday DL on TD Jakes and Elephants in the Room


Thursday, January 26, 2012

T. D. Jakes and the Elephant Room Controversy

 "But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”" (John 8:45-47, NKJV)



 I posted the following comment over at the Daniel's Place blog.  Daniel is a student at Westminster Seminary, California.  He has been covering the controversy over the invitation extended to the heresiarch T.D. Jakes to speak at The Elephant Room.  You can see Daniel's article by clicking here: News: James MacDonald resigns from TGC .



I agree that inviting T. D. Jakes to the Elephant room is a tacit endorsement of Jakes' theology. But I hate to break this news to you. The fact is the vast majority of Pentecostals and Charismatics these days NO LONGER REGARD ONENESS PENTECOSTAL TEACHING AS HERESY. Excuse me for yelling:) But I think this emphasis needs to be made. Basically, the Charismatic movement is more concerned about spreading Pentecostalism and Charismatic teaching than about correct doctrine on the ESSENTIALS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH. For example, The Society for Pentecostal Studies, which publishes a theological journal called, Pneuma, does not require belief in the trinity or triunity of three persons in one divine nature. That can be easily demonstrated in the compromise of their original doctrinal statement here: Wikipedia: The Society for Pentecostal Studies. The short of it is that Pentecostals and Charismatics are compromised from the get go because their emphasis on the "gifts of the Spirit" and the "baptism with the Holy Spirit" trumps the orthodox and essential doctrine of the trinity. I've been saying this for several years now and I'm wondering why so few are listening?

The fact that T.D. Jakes enjoys such mainstream popularity among Charismatics and Pentecostals and on "Christian" TV is proof enough that the movement as a whole is cultic, heterodox, and heretical. Yes, you heard me right.

Another indication of this sort of heterodoxy is the widespread acceptance of the Word of Faith doctrines on health, wealth and prosperity--doctrines which come from Christian Science and New Thought. Included in that package are extremely heretical doctrines on the incarnation of Christ and His deity. Word of Faith teachers say that Christ is not fully God but is simply a "Spirit-filled man". They also teach that Jesus was demonized on the cross and that He suffered for three days in hellfire.

It is beyond my comprehension why anyone who considers themselves Reformed in theological perspective would want to lead others into this heretical and heterodox movement. I'm thinking here of "non-cessationists" like John Piper, Wayne Grudem, Vincent Cheung, Mark Driscoll, Vern Poythress, and others. This wrong emphasis is akin to saying it's ok to be Mormon! In fact, the Word of Faith movement also incorporates some Mormon doctrine since Kenneth Hagin taught that God has a "spiritual" body, i.e. a spiritualized physical body.

I could go on but I'll stop there. The short of it is that I think Evangelicals in general are way too gracious toward Pentecostalism and Charismatic theology because of the fear of losing support.

Sincerely yours in Christ,

Charlie

Addendum:  I know some of you think I am overgeneralizing since some Pentecostal and Charismatic churches take a strong stand against modalism and the Word of Faith movement.  However, to take a strong stand against false teaching while continuing to fellowship with heretics is duplicitous.  This sort of dissimulating compromise reveals that Pentecostals and Charismatics are more concerned with ecumenicalism than with Scriptural truth.  But if the souls of millions of adherents are at stake, why invite false teachers to lead them astray?  That is the question at issue here.  It is impossible to follow false teaching while at the same time following the truth. 


Wednesday, January 11, 2012

Cessationists in Rebellion: Vincent Cheung's Charismatic Theology


I am pleased to announce that I have been condemned as a "rebel" by yet another Charismatic.  Yes, Vincent Cheung has said in public and in writing that those Christians who do not "practice" or believe in ongoing charismatic gifts today are "in rebellion against God".  You can see the article here:  Cessationism and Speaking in Tongues.  I would suggest that Cheung not try walking on the water over his head unless he can swim.  Click on this link as well:  Cessationism and Rebellion.

Unfortunately, Cheung tries to deflect criticism of his position by claiming that he is neither Reformed nor Charismatic (Cessationism and Speaking in Tongues, p. 2).  I would agree that he is not Reformed; but claiming that he is not Charismatic when practically everything he has written in defense of continuationism is identical to the same tired old arguments put forward by other Arminian and "Reformed" Charismatics is a good indicator that Cheung is simply trying to sidestep the obvious.


Also, he betrays a basic misunderstanding of the doctrine of Sola Scriptura when he out of hand dismisses the theological differences between particular Baptists and confessional Presbyterians:


A person might think that a Christian must either be Baptist or Presbyterian, and if a person affirms Baptist sacraments but Presbyterian government – or any one thing that is supposedly Baptist and another that is supposedly Presbyterian – then he must be wrong, simply on the basis that, according to him, these two categories are incompatible. But this is a poor argument, and does nothing to address whether this person's doctrine is right or wrong. It does, however, tell us that the critic's understanding of the Christian world is limited to a narrow conception of Baptists and Presbyterians. He is like a frog trapped at the bottom of a well, and his idea of the heavens is as small as the opening through which he views the sky. 

The Christian world is very broad. Just because a person believes in the biblical doctrine of predestination does not mean that he learned it from Calvin. Maybe he learned it from Augustine. Maybe he learned it from Hodge, or Shedd, or Berkhof. Maybe he learned it from Vincent Cheung, or you, or your pastor. How about this – maybe he read the Bible himself and learned it there! But…is it possible? Is it possible that a person can read biblical passages and actually learn biblical doctrines?  (Ibid.)

In this quote Cheung reveals his Anabaptist presuppositions.  In other words, Cheung thinks that the doctrine of the priesthood of believers and the right to private interpretation of Scripture means literally that every Christian is a lone ranger and reads the Scriptures in isolation from the church.  This could not be further from the truth.  The Reformed doctrine is not solo Scriptura but Sola Scriptura.  The right to private interpretation means that individuals read the Scriptures together as a church.  Since the Bible must be preached and interpreted there must be a standard by which to judge heresy from truth.  The Protestant Reformers held that standard to be ultimately Scripture alone.  But they realized that there is no perfect interpretation of Scripture.  As such there needed to be a correction to those who twisted the Scriptures to their own destruction (2 Peter 3:15-16).  That standard is the Westminster Confession and the Larger and Shorter Catechism for the English Presbyterian tradition.  For the Dutch Reformed the standard is the Three Forms of Unity and for Reformation Anglicans the standard is the Anglican Formularies (Thirty-nine Articles of Religion, 1662 Book of Common Prayer, and the Ordinal with the Homilies).  While the Reformed symbols or standards of doctrine are always subject to error and correction and that they draw their most certain warrant from Holy Scripture, this does not mean that we can then take the Reformed confessions lightly.  They are authoritative doctrinal statements and to depart from them is serious error.

Cheung, like most Pentecostals and Charismatics, focuses on experience while claiming he is focused on Scripture and reason.  However, the Pentecostal hermeneutic is that experience must be a vital part of exegesis of Scripture.  Thus, for the Pentecostal, only a person who has experienced the baptism with the Holy Spirit can properly understand the Scriptures and the ecstatic revelations made possible by believing the Scriptures.  For the Pentecostal/Charismatic, like the Roman Catholic, Scripture itself is insufficient.  Something extra is necessary for a move from the lower spiritual experience of conversion to a higher experience of total surrender, victory, and the higher life.  Cheung wishes to distance himself from the broader Pentecostal/Charismatic movement by denying that his theology is experiential.  However, in this attempt he only reveals himself to have a greater affinity with experiential religion than with the logical propositions of Holy Scripture and the Reformed confessions.


Roger Stronstad gives an outline of the Pentecostal approach to biblical interpretation in his article, Trends in Pentecostal hermeneutics, Enrichment Journal:


Charles F. Parham: Origins of the “Pragmatic” Hermeneutic

As Martin Luther is the fountainhead of Lutheranism, John Calvin of Reformed Theology, and John Wesley of Methodism, so Charles F. Parham stands as the fountainhead of Pentecostalism. Parham was not the first to speak in tongues. In one sense that honor goes to Miss Agnes N. 0zman.1 In another sense, the birth of the Pentecostal movement is the climax to the growing swell of charismatic experiences among various revival and Apostolic Faith movements.2 What makes Charles F. Parham the father of Pentecostalism, Topeka, Kansas, the locus of Pentecostalism, and Agnes Ozman, the first Pentecostal, is not the uniqueness of this experience, but the new hermeneutical/biblical understanding of this experience.

Charles F. Parham bequeathed to the Pentecostal movement its definitive hermeneutics, and consequently, its definitive theology and apologetics. His contribution arose out of the problem of the interpretation of the second chapter of Acts and his conviction that Christian experience in the 20th century “should tally exactly with the Bible, [but] neither sanctification nor the anointing that abideth … tallied with the 2nd chapter of Acts.”3 Consequently he reports, “I set the students at work studying out diligently what was the Bible evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost that we might go before the world with something that was indisputable because it tallied absolutely with the Word.”4 He tells the results of their investigation in the following words: “Leaving the school for three days at this task, I went to Kansas City for three days services. I returned to the school on the morning preceding Watch Night service in the year 1900.

“At about 10:00 o’clock in the morning I rang the bell calling all the students into the Chapel to get their report on the matter in hand. To my astonishment they all had the same story, that while there were different things occurring when the Pentecostal blessing fell, the indisputable proof on each occasion was, that they spoke with other tongues.”5

In Parham’s report we find the essential distinctives of the Pentecostal movement, namely, (1) the conviction that contemporary experience should be identical to apostolic Christianity, (2) the separation of the baptism in the Holy Spirit from sanctification (as Holiness movements had earlier separated it from conversion/incorporation), and (3) that tongues speaking is the indisputable evidence or proof of the baptism in the Holy Spirit.

The discovery that tongues speaking was the indisputable biblical proof of the baptism in the Holy Spirit was confirmed the next day in the experience of one of the students at Bethel Bible School, Agnes Ozman. She testifies: “The spirit of prayer was upon us in the evening. It was nearly seven o’clock on this first of January that it came into my heart to ask Bro. Parham to lay his hands upon me that I might receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. It was as his hands were laid upon my head that the Holy Spirit fell upon me and I began to speak in other tongues, glorifying God. I talked several languages, and it was clearly manifest when a new dialect was spoken.”6

Agnes Ozman was the first one but not the last one to speak in tongues in the Bible school. By January 3, 1901, other students, and soon even Parham himself, had spoken in tongues. When questioned about her experience, Miss Ozman “pointed out to them the Bible references, showing [she] had received the baptism according to Acts 2:4 and 19:1–6.”7

Observing the above  as an accurate description of the classical Pentecostal position we can see the same justification of experience in the Charismatic movement in general and particularly in the so-called "Reformed" Charismatics like Wayne Grudem and Vincent Cheung, although Cheung wants to deflect criticism by denying that he falls into the same category.  The basic premise of Pentecostal and Charismatic theology in general is that Christian experience should reduplicate the experience of first century apostolic Christianity as it is recorded in the Scriptures.  That logical proposition is that Scripture encourages and commands this reduplication.  Obviously Cheung agrees with the "command" to do miracles, speak in tongues, prophesy, predict the future, and have supernatural knowledge--which is impossible through natural means (words of knowledge and words of wisdom).  In short, Cheung, like most Charismatics, believes that the moral law commands modern Christians to "experience" all the gifts, including the active performance of miracles.   The fact that Cheung says that cessationists are "in rebellion against God" is proof enough of this.

Like other Charismatics, Cheung wishes to slip out of the grip of his opponents' critical evaluations of his view.  When pinned down on the fact that no man can do miracles at will he gives duplicitous answers evading the issue:

Do not put out the Spirit's fire; do not treat prophecies with contempt. (1 Thessalonians 5:19-20)

Verses 19-22 discuss the apostolic policy toward prophecy. Paul writes, "Do not treat prophecies with contempt," but he tells the Christians to "test everything."  Cessationism is the false doctrine that the manifestations of miraculous endowments such as those listed in 1 Corinthians 12 have ceased since the days of the apostles and the completion of the Bible. Although there is no biblical evidence for this position, a main motive for this invention is to secure the sufficiency of Scripture and the finality (completion) of Scripture. However, it has been shown that the continuation of miraculous manifestations does not in fact contradict these two doctrines or put them at risk.(1)  Thus cessationism is both unbiblical and unnecessary.

More than that, cessationism is also evil and dangerous. This is because if cessationism is false, then those who advocate this doctrine are preaching rebellion against the Lord.  The Bible commands Christians, "Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy" (1 Corinthians 14:1). If cessationism is correct but we do not know it, then we could still safely obey this instruction, although we will not receive what we desire. That is, if prophecy has ceased but I think that it continues, then I could still desire the gift of prophecy in accordance with this command, but I will not receive the gift of prophecy. No harm is done. (2)

On the other hand, since the cessationist teaches that prophecy has ceased, then although the Bible says "desire spiritual gifts," he will not desire spiritual gifts, since the spiritual gifts are no longer in operation, and what gifts people think they have are necessarily false. This also applies to prophecy in particular. So although Paul says, "Do not treat prophecies with contempt," the cessationist must treat all prophecies with contempt, since he believes that prophecy has ceased, so that all prophecies today are false. His view toward prophecy must be "reject everything" instead of "test everything." But again, if cessationism is false, then this person would be preaching rebellion against the biblical commands to desire and test spiritual manifestations.  Since the commands "desire spiritual gifts," "do not treat prophecies with contempt," and "test everything" are revealed by divine and infallible authority, the cessationist must present an infallible argument to render them inapplicable for today. If he cannot provide this but he still advocates cessationism in the face of these explicit biblical commands, then is it not obvious that he has condemned himself before God, even if this person is right that the gifts have ceased? No Christian should dare follow such a person or believe his doctrine. If a person preaches cessationism but cannot prove it – if he cannot provide an infallible argument for it (since the command to desire spiritual manifestations is clear and infallible), then this means that he consciously preaches rebellion against some of the Bible's straightforward commands. Why then, should he not be removed from the ministry or even excommunicated from the church?
Since the arguments for cessationism are forced and feeble, and since the doctrine presents so great a danger, it is best to believe the Bible as it is written, and obey its commands as they are stated – that is, "desire spiritual gifts" and "test everything." This position is faithful to the direct statements of Scripture, but it requires courageous resistance to fallacious arguments, academic bullying, and church traditions.  (Vincent Cheung, Cessationism and Rebellion), page 2).

The logical fallacies of this short quote are so numerous as to require an extensive response.  But before pointing out the errors of Cheung's propositions it is to be noted that Cheung follows the proposition of Charles Parham, namely that our experience should be identical to the experiences of the apostolic church in the first century as it is recorded in Scripture.  That this is a non sequitur should be obvious enough.  Simply because Judas hanged himself according to the Scriptures does not mean that this narrative is the norm for modern Christians.  The old cliche, "Judas hanged himself, go and do likewise," is redundant here but applicable.  The unspoken premise of Cheung's syllogism is that continuationism is a fortiori the only possible exegesis of the Scriptures.  Of course, he does extensive back pedaling to deny this criticism but his use of Occam's razor as a justification for taking the leap of faith is no logical proof that Cheung's presuppositional interpretation of the text as inherently continuationist is actually the case.  Cheung's use of the razor analogy can be easily demonstrated in footnote number 2:

If prophecy has ceased but I think that it continues, I will desire it and fail to receive it, and then it is possible that I think that I have received it (and this is possible because I falsely think that it continues) and proceed to prophesy. This would be a false prophecy. There is indeed harm in this, but the problem is not in thinking that prophecy continues, but in thinking that I have the gift when I do not. So it is a related but separate issue, and it is addressed by Paul's instruction, that is, in testing the alleged prophecy, and not in imposing the unbiblical doctrine of cessationism.   (Ibid., page 2, footnote 2).

The logic of Cheung is speculative at best.  If the cessationist is wrong he is in rebellion against God's moral law.  If the continuationist is wrong he merely makes a sincere mistake but is not in fact in rebellion against God.  For Cheung the Charismatic view can cause harm but it is really not dangerous.   But Cheung's view again assumes that Scripture imposes normative moral commands in all times and at every point in history that the Christian is to practice the apostolic supernatural gifts that were given by God's sovereign providence in the first century church.  For Cheung a synergistic theology following that of the Wesleyan Arminian presuppositions of the holiness theology of Charles Parham and other Pentecostals is immediately evident.  The premise of a synergistic theology is that Christians have an inherent ability to obey a moral command to "seek the gifts", i.e. do the same miraculous and supernatural acts of the first century apostles.  If someone gives a prophecy that adds to Scripture or contradicts Scripture (Proverbs 30:5-6 KJV; Deuteronomy 4:2 KJV; Deuteronomy 12:32 KJV; Revelation 22:7 KJV, Revelation 22:19 KJV), Cheung does not see this as heresy but merely harmful.  Furthermore, simply asserting that someone should raise the dead or heal the sick does not mean that they have the ability to obey that command nor does it obligate God to act in accordance with the Christian's desires to heal the sick, raise the dead, or speak an unknown human language by supernatural means. The creature is not in control of the gifts distributed by the Holy Spirit.  God alone can give supernatural gifts and thus it is up to God whether or not any of these gifts actually happen.  (1 Corinthians 12:11).

It might be that Cheung is the one in rebellion since he is imposing a law or norm that the individual Christian is unable to obey.  Even Gordon H. Clark says that God is the ultimate cause of both good and evil.  Therefore, if God wants a supernatural gift to occur He needs no assistance from the believer.  If God wanted Christians to do miracles He could put that desire in their hearts and then do the miracles since He is God.  However, it is also possible that God could send a spirit of delusion to deceive the haughty and the proud.  He could cause Cheung and others to believe a lie.  If the miracles Cheung is advocating do not occur, that too is God's judgment.  (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12).

Cheung's answer is that the Bible simply says that we are to test the results of such claims:

Inherent in this biblical approach is protection against charismatic fanatics and false miracles. The Bible instructs us to "test everything," and since it is sufficient, it is able to expose counterfeit miracles and false prophecies. The answer is not to assert that the gifts have ceased, but to follow the instructions that the Bible has already given on the subject.  This position, that we should follow what Scripture says, would offer us perfect protection even if cessationism is correct. If prophecy has indeed ceased, then any prophecy today is false. Since the Bible is a sufficient revelation, the information in it will enable us to "test everything," so that any alleged prophecy today will either be tested, and finding it false, it will be condemned, or if the content is such that it is untestable, it will be ignored.  (Ibid., page 3).

Perhaps a better position is to note that not everything commanded in Scripture is normative for today.  When the Bible says that a man cannot have long hair no one today takes that as an absolutely normative command obligating the Christian man today to always have short hair.  (1 Corinthians 11:1-16).  Most women today refuse to attend worship services with their heads covered with a doily.  Are they then in rebellion against God?  Obviously most Christians today would not agree.  Therefore, Cheung's a fortiori assertion that cessationists are in rebellion against God is nothing more than an assumption or presupposition on his part.  Cheung offers nothing more than mere speculation to prove that cessationists are in rebellion.  "If this is true then that is true: now that is true,  therefore this is true" is the same logical fallacy employed by empirical science.  Basically, Cheung's error is asserting the conclusion in his premise.  Quoting the philosopher Bertrand Russell, John W. Robbins exposes this empirical reasoning as fallacious:

One of the problems of science is that it, unlike the Bible, is quite illogical.  In his essay, "Limitations of Scientific Method," the English mathematician, logician, and philosopher Bertand Russell made the following observation: 

All inductive arguments in the last resort reduce themselves to the following form:  "If this is true, then that is true:  now that is true, therefore this is true."  This argument is, of course, formally fallacious.  Suppose I were to say:  "If bread is a stone and stones are nourishing, then this bread will nourish me; now this bread does nourish me; therefore it is a stone, and stones are nourishing."  If I were to advance such an argument, I should certainly be thought foolish, yet it would not be fundamentally different from the argument upon which all scientific laws are based. 

That is to say, all scientific laws are based on fallacious arguments.  [John W. Robbins, Foreward to The Philosophy of Science and Belief in God, by Gordon H. Clark.  (Unicoi:  The Trinity Foundation), p. xi.]
Basically, Cheung's argument is an appeal not to Scripture but to experience subsequent to reading Scripture; that is, continuationism is an experience that Cheung asserts as being justified on the basis of his assumed exegesis of Scripture.  His view is the same as the Charismatic view, namely that experience is necessary for a proper interpretation of the text.  In making this appeal, then, Cheung's experientialism is subject to the same criticism Gordon H. Clark leveled against empirical science.

The truth is no Christian is obligated to believe Charismatic doctrine since such doctrine is eisogeting experience back into the text to make the text say what the Charismatic wants it to say.  The proper approach lets Scripture speak for itself in its own cultural context as it is addressed to its original audience.  Only when this is established can the text be made to properly apply to the Christian today.  Cheung wishes to skip this step and go straight from his own presupposed exegesis to application.   (See:  Interpretation of the Bible).

Contrary to Cheung, Scripture is sufficient for all that a Christian needs to know to be saved (2 Timothy 3:15; Romans 10:4-12).  Simple faith in Christ, His active obedience in living a sinless life, and His objective satisfaction for the sins of His elect on the cross are sufficient for salvation (1 Timothy 2:5-6).  It is not necessary to reconfirm what has already been confirmed by all the miracles of Jesus (Mark 16:20; Hebrews 2:4; Romans 15:18-19).  The same argument applies to the argument that the signs are necessary for edification (Ephesians 4:11-12).  Since Cheung is arguing for ongoing gifts as a "command" of God, the burden of proof is on him to show that his exegesis of Scripture is correct and that it is normative today.  Cheung has done nothing more than make empty assertions based on an unsupported presupposition.  As I have argued in other places, the only miracles the Christian is obligated to believe are those recorded in Scripture (See  Cessationism Versus Continuationism).  Cheung tacitly admits this since he says that everything today is to be tested by Scripture (1 John 4:1; Matthew 7:15; 1 John 2:18; 1 John 2:22; Jeremiah 29:8; 2 Peter 2:1).  How Cheung can say that the Christian who rejects continuationism is in rebellion against the moral law of God is indeed amazing.

Cheung says that it is unnecessary for him to produce any actual miracles or results.  By this dissimulation he wants to assert the bare command without guarantee that the results are obtained or even that the results can be falsified or verified.  Thus, for all practical purposes Cheung's view is irrational.  His premises are wrong and so are his conclusions.











Wednesday, May 26, 2010

Question and Answer: Tongues and Healing: Is It Real?







New Kidonthblogg asked:

Excellent article and discusson. For former pentecostals/charismatics, what was it like when you spoke in tongues? Did you fake it and can you or do you do it now? (Is it an authentic gift in any way?)How did it benefit you or did it benefit you? Nightline found no authentic healing in the Lakeland Revival. Do you know of any authentic healing?

Sunday, May 06, 2007

John MacArthur on the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement and Church Growth


[I have taken the liberty to post the following transcript of a Grace to You broadcast from John MacArthur. You can read it on the original website at http://www.biblebb.com/files/macqa/70-22-2.htmPostscript:  I should add that my opinion of MacArthur has changed significantly since I posted this article.  MacArthur's views on Lordship Salvation confuses sanctification with justification and implies sinless perfection.  (See: The Gospel According to John MacArthur).  Therefore, I have to put MacArthur himself in the heresy corner.  That does not discredit what he has to say below about the errors of the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement.  Charlie, 8/14/2011].


"And they have created a fertile ground now for an all out assault on God, which is coming from some pretty heady places--the parade is being led by Christianity Today, a magazine, which finds a very open climate to question God. The new view of God is: God is not sovereign; God not only doesn't determine the future, He doesn't even know what it is; that God is about as clear about the future as you are. He has about as much control over it as you do. This is the redefinition of God!"

John MacArthur


The following "Question" was asked by a member of the congregation at Grace Community Church in Panorama City, California, and "Answered" by their pastor, John MacArthur Jr. It was transcribed from the tape, GC 70-22, titled "Questions and Answers--Part 50." A copy of the tape can be obtained by writing, Word of Grace, P.O. Box 4000, Panorama City, CA 91412 or by dialing toll free 1-800-55-GRACE. Copyright 2001 by John MacArthur Jr., All Rights Reserved.

Question

I read an article in a "big city" newspaper, on the Pentecostal movement and I am still puzzled. These people, true believers, and if they are true believers, what are they doing in this movement: "Heal me right away or maybe I'll walk away from Jesus Christ." Can you shed some light on that?

Answer

You are opening up a huge issue here of the Pentecostal Movement. The Pentecostal Movement, as a movement, defined by its unique characteristics, is not Biblical. Now, understand what I am saying. I am not saying that all the people in it are not Christians, some of them are, but those things that define the Pentecostal Movement are not Biblical. It is not Biblical to say, that speaking in tongues is a sign of receiving the Holy Spirit, and if you haven't spoken in tongues you haven't received the Holy Spirit--that is not Biblical. It is not even Biblical to encourage people to speak in tongues, as if that in itself, was some spiritual gift that everybody had to have. It is not Biblical to believe that God is going to heal you. It is not Biblical to believe that some people have the power to heal and can go into great places and knock people over, by the power of the Holy Spirit, and that they wield this great supernatural power.

So, what I am saying is: the defining characteristics that label Pentecostalism "Pentecostalism" as apart from general Orthodox Christianity, are not Biblical. So the movement is defined by things that aren't Biblical. If you, for example, compared it to the Reformed Movement. What distinguishes Reformed Theology is an accurate theology; it goes back to the Reformation and it's based on an accurate understanding of theology. What distinguishes Pentecostalism is an inaccurate, wrong interpretation of Scripture, and all the distinctives are not accurately interpreted from Scripture. So you have a movement defined unbiblically. At the heart of it, I think, there are masses of people who are unconverted--unconverted--who couldn't explain the gospel, the way you heard it explained tonight. They could say that Jesus died for their sins and rose again, but they have no idea just exactly how God used the death of Christ to satisfy His justice and grant righteousness to those who believe. They do not understand anything more than a very shallow and thin grasp of the gospel.

Many of them (and this has been reiterated to me by people who have come to our church, from other large Pentecostal churches in the area) live under a strange and bizarre doctrine that they never articulate, but it is definitive in the movement, and it is the doctrine of the "Sovereignty of Satan." It is inherent, at least to contemporary "Charismania"...Pentecostalism, by the definition of the current Charismatic Movement, and the Pentecostals and the Charismatics are so blended now, you can't separate them...but, it is inimical to that system to believe that Satan is sovereign--not God. God would like people to be saved but He is not sovereign in salvation. God would like to keep people saved but He can't, so people can get unsaved on their own. God would like to solve the problems in the world but the devil keeps messing things up. People in that movement are taught that when you get sick: it's the devil. When your little baby gets sick: it's the devil. When you lose your job: it's the devil. When it's announced to you that you have heart disease or you have cancer, or you have some other problem; when one of your children goes astray, whatever it is: it's the devil. And so, you are living, literally, under the sovereignty of Satan in a mode of constant fear. That's one very unbiblical element of that, so you're always trying to "bind Satan;" you're always trying to cast out demons. God, in Pentecostalism becomes the victim. It is a strange kind of thing where there is this pervasive fear of Satan. Parents who can't sleep, who live with anxieties and fears that the devil is going to come in and make their baby sick at night. Or the devil is going to get in their house, and they have to pray the devil out, or the demons out of their house, or bind Satan some way. This is utterly unbiblical. We as believers have nothing to fear from Satan, in the ultimate sense. It is God Himself who has made the blind and the lame, it says in the Book of Exodus.

The enemy of God, who is Satan, is God's servant. I don't know if you have ever thought of it that way, but the devil is God's servant: he can only do what God allows him to do, and his borders and boundaries are established by a sovereign God. There are some people who came to our church from out of this kind of background, and they happened to come on a Sunday (I think), and when they heard me preach on the sovereignty of God, they said it was the most liberating thing they had ever heard--to find out the "God" was sovereign, that God was in charge, was totally opposite everything they had ever heard. Now that is an aberrant theology that says that.

Pentecostalism, also because of its belief that people today can have the same gifts that the Apostles have...Benny Hinn and whoever the "healers" are, he's sort of the prototypical healer today, it started out with A. A. Allen, and Oral Roberts, and down to Morris Cerullo, and on and on it goes...Jimmy Swaggart and Benny Hinn, and whoever it is. Benny Hinn is the latest edition of con men in that area. This idea, that they believe that these men can do what the Apostles did: they have the power to heal, the power to cast out disease...I heard Benny Hinn say, with my own ears, I heard it, "that if you have somebody in your family die. Leave their body in the living room, take their body over to the TV, drape their arms over the TV, because God is going use me to raise the dead through the television!" I can't think of a more insensitive thing for a man to do, than to have some poor bereaved person drag the corpse of their family member and drape them over the television, under some bizarre illusion that Benny Hinn is going to heal them through the TV set--it's cruel, is what it is! But that is only the extreme form of cruelty. There is a cruelty that goes along day after day, week after week, with this bizarre expectation of healing, and then this false staging of supposed healings, that continue to raise people's hopes, and all that does is create false hopes that are dashed to pieces. And much of the fallout of that movement is people who reject the gospel, reject Christ, because they didn't get what they were promised they would get.

As I said, the defining elements of the movement itself, what gives it its identity are unbiblical, and yet at the core there are many in the Pentecostal Movement who are Christians who understand the gospel. If you just took all the "Pentecostal stuff," the "Charismatic stuff" out, there would be a core understanding of the gospel there, so I believe that some of them are Christians. The Lord knows how many, but it is my own conviction, that the vast majority are not. And also, that those people who purvey and ply the trade, particularly in the media, know they are deceivers, and they are very effective at it--raising millions of dollars. One such preacher alone, T. D. Jakes, took in, personally, last year, 63 million dollars! They are trading on a certain desperation. That's why Jesus, when He sent out the Seventy, said, "go and heal, but take no money." If you can heal people--you can be instantly rich. People get instantly rich who can't heal, but pretend they can.

But at the heart of it, if you can just strip the trappings, there are some who know the gospel truth. So I guess I would say, somewhere in that movement there is a true body of believers, not to be confused with the Movement, which is full of schemers, and dreamers, and con men, and people with aberrant theology, and false teachers who take advantage of people. And then people in the middle: there's the serious, very serious errors of the Word-Faith Movement: Fred Price, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, etcetera, Marilyn Hickey, Joyce Meyer, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, who have an aberrant view of the nature of Christ. They are the ones who say, that on the cross Jesus became a sinner, had to go to hell and suffer for His sins for three days, and then the Father let Him come out of hell, and that is when He was raised. They turned Jesus into a sinner who had to be punished for sin. This is a frightening view of Christ. Also, Kenneth Copeland is the one who said, "That Jesus wasn't any more God than he is!"

So you have aberrations all the way down the line. Of course, because the movement is defined by its experiences and its phenomena, they don't ever deal with the aberrations. Nobody polices the movement. You can turn on "Channel 40" [Southern California UHF TV Station], and you can see them...they will literally advocate anything! They would advocate absolutely anything. Anybody can come on there and say anything they want about God, anything they want about Christ, anything they want about the Holy Spirit, anything they want to say about the work of God, any interpretation of the Bible will stand. But what you can't do, is go on "Channel 40" and say somebody is wrong--that's intolerable! And so that's why in some of their books, they call me a "Heresy Hunter." There is one book that has a whole chapter on me as a "Heresy Hunter"--well, I am! And I thank them for the compliment! [Applause]. I don't have any axe to grind with those people, I just am committed to the truth, and I want to bring the truth to those people. It's really one of the wonderful realities that "Grace to You Radio" penetrates into those people, who don't come to this church, but they turn on the radio, and they get the books. The book, The Charismatics, that I wrote back in 1978, I think it was, later on we wrote a new one called Charismatic Chaos . Those books have had a great impact, and continue to have an impact on the hearts of people who are questioning the movement--they're in it, they are questioning the reality of it.

As a final thought, one of the give-a-ways that there is something seriously wrong with the movement is its breadth. It embraces anybody, and anything, and any view of anything that purports to be of God. If you just say, the Lord told you this, or the Lord told you that, or you had a vision, or you saw this, or you heard voices, or the angels told you--if you have the experience, you supposedly experienced some of this supernatural phenomena, it will embrace you. The movement will take you in no matter how bizarre your theology is.

I remember when Benny Hinn first wrote his first book, called Good Morning Holy Spirit (I think it was), and in the book, he had nine members of the Trinity. It's not even good English to have nine members of a Trinity! You can have a double-quartet plus one, but you can't have a Trinity with nine people--it's not a Trinity. But in the book, he had nine members of the Trinity. He had the Father having three parts (three persons), the Son having three persons, and the Holy Spirit having three persons, totaling nine. I said to the publisher, who was having lunch with me, wanting to sign me to a book contract. I said to him, "Why in the world did you publish that book?" "Why would you publish that?" And with a look of incredulity he said to me, "What do you mean? We publish everything!" He didn't even understand the question! It didn't even connect, for "What do you mean? We publish everything!" And I would say, that has been pretty much the reality with the Pentecostal Movement, there is just no borders, at all.

The way the "movement" has perpetuated itself--it's an infection in the Body of Christ that is spreading rapidly. It's a kind of "Spiritual AIDS." AIDS is a deficient immune system, and this kills the Church's immune system! The Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement kills the immune system, because it makes it a sin to question their theology. You see, the only way error can survive is if truth doesn't prevail--right? It's the only way. The only way error can survive is if truth does not prevail. So how do you get the truth out of the way? You have to silence the people who speak the truth. So how do you do that? You have to turn them into "bad guys"--those people with discernment, those people who speak the truth, those people who draw lines that are Biblical. You have to turn them into the "bad guys" the non-spiritual.

I remember a radio program, where a man who was prominent in the Charismatic Movement said, "I don't know much about John MacArthur, but I know one thing, he doesn't possess the Holy Spirit." And that was on a radio talk show, and that created an interesting dialogue. I was being vilified as someone who didn't possess the Holy Spirit, was not therefore of God, simply because I called into question some of their unbiblical teaching. And what has happened is, they have been saying this long enough; they have been working their way into the mainstream of Evangelicalism simply by attacking the critics, and silencing the critics, and most people just rollover.

I can give you an illustration. In, about 1980, after I had written the book, The Charismatics, which was a bomb when it came. It was the first book that was out really definitively taking on that movement, and it just hit with thunder, but it was really an important statement. At the time, Moody Monthly, was a monthly periodical put out by Moody as sort of a standard, fundamental, Evangelical magazine. They said, "This is so important, we want to serialize the book." So the magazine picks up the book, they put the cover of the book on the cover of the magazine, which had a circulation of...I don't know, let's just say for the sake of argument, 150,000. During the time they serialized the book it went up 50%, so maybe to 225,000--tremendous response, and this book was a direct attack on that issue. And Moody, at that time, says, "This needs to be heard, this is discernment." Today, if I say on "Grace to You" anything negative about the Charismatic Movement--the Moody Broadcasting Network will remove it from the broadcast! Because what has happened over a period of time is that Evangelicalism has just rolled over, because we have been vilified so much as being unloving, and heresy hunters, and divisive, and so they literally have shouted, long enough and loud enough to silence people. And they have found their way into the mainstream, and now they dictate what is "Politically Correct" to say within the body of Evangelicalism.

Now that Evangelicalism is so softened up theologically; now that we have this case of AIDS, this immune deficiency that can't fight off error--we can't stop the influx of disease--theological disease. The latest is called the "Openness of God" (I am digressing, but I need to take you there for a minute). Have you been reading about this? This is the last place you can attack. They have attacked the Person of the Holy Spirit. They have attacked the Person of Christ. They have attacked the gospel. They have attacked the authority of Scripture by adding to Scripture revelations, and visions, and Words of Wisdom, and Words of Knowledge, and on and on and on..... And they have created a fertile ground now for an all out assault on God, which is coming from some pretty heady places--the parade is being led by Christianity Today, a magazine, which finds a very open climate to question God. The new view of God is: God is not sovereign; God not only doesn't determine the future, He doesn't even know what it is; that God is about as clear about the future as you are. He has about as much control over it as you do. This is the redefinition of God!

I said to someone the other day, "That is the end! Jesus has to come soon! Where else do you go, when you have attacked the nature of God?" I have a chapter in a new book that came out called, What Ever Happened to the Reformation? I wrote one chapter, R. C. Sproul wrote one, a bunch of us wrote them, and Sproul in his chapter says, "Call yourself a Christian if you want, but if you have the wrong view of God--you're a pagan!" You're a pagan! That's idolatry! That's the last place you can go in heresy, is to reinvent God! That climate to do that, I think is largely aided and abetted by the utter disinterest in doctrine that has been created by this Charismatic pressure--Pentecostal pressure.

So, at the same time I say that, there are people in that movement who are Christians, and most of the Evangelical Church doesn't have the discernment to know how to sort all of that out, and many of these people don't either. They are subject to their leaders--like Hosea says, "Like people, like priests." They can't rise above it, and so they just sort of take it in, but in their hearts they are truly trusting Christ for their salvation. Surely there are true believers in that movement. I have said this before: You can take the Charismatic Movement; you can take the "Seeker-Friendly Church Growth" Movement, and somewhere in those movements there is a true church, not to be confused with the crowd.

But I think when you look at the legacy of the Charismatic or Pentecostal Movement, in history looking back, it is not going to be, "Oh, they were speaking in tongues," that's true, but speaking in tongues, to me, is a minor detail. In fact, I have even gone so far as to say, "If you have the choice between going in your closet and mumbling in tongues, and going out and gossiping--go in your closet and mumble in tongues! So I don't want to overstate the importance of that.

I don't think history is going to look back and define the impact of Pentecostalism in tongues; I don't think it'll look back and define it in terms of healings, since everybody who goes into that movement, with any kind of honest, analytical, and critical approach, and tries to find healings can't find them, and that's documented many, many times over. But what is going to be history's verdict on the effect of the Pentecostal Movement, is that the Pentecostal Movement caused the Church to become disinterested in sound doctrine. And that ultimately, is the greatest impact, and that's Spiritual AIDS--the Church no longer has a functioning immune system to recognize deadly error.

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